Former head of mi6 says Corbyn is a danger to the nation and wouldn't pass security vetting

[Sittinonthefloor]

Because of his terrorist links. That's pretty strong stuff! In today's telegraph. Behind a paywall though but the first few paragraphs are visible.

What lots of corbynistas fail to understand is that many people are deeply concerned about his views

That would be fine if his views were fairly represented. Which they aren't.

Sittinonthefloor, no, us "Corbynistas" do understand people have concerns as is their right to, that's why they vote Tory and what democracy is about. We just don't agree with you and recognise that he's never, ever supported any act of terror and is only guilty of encouraging dialogue. So kindly piss off with you patronizing "they dont understand" bullshit :)

For Mi6 minimum would probably be developed vetting, which is pretty hard look at your views, background and relationships, as well as any awkward secrets like drug use or porn tastes. Then for most positions there would be additional clearance levels of varying levels depending on what you were working on.

We already knew of his links to terrorists, its been public knowledge for decades. Whats scary is how many of the public are so willing to accept his dangerous views. I guess all the free money he is planning on handing out is buying a lot of acceptance

I absolutely agree it's incredible what people will turn a blind eye to if they like what they are hearing

He will never be PM and never should have been leader of the opposition (which he has proved to be be ridiculously pathetic at) and neither should McDonnell be in any position of influence over national security

He is a disgrace but unfortunately I believe labour are stuck with Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne leading the party for some time

@ExplodedCloud I know a little bit about it; Corbyn's IRA "chats" are unlikely to come up - what will come up is where he has attended events abroad (Tunisia)

Personally I am extremely concerned about Theresa May's views. I believe that by deliberately cutting police and counter terrorism funding - and then accusing police chiefs of lying and scaremongering when they express alarm - is in effect encouraging terrorism. What else is it?

Theresa May encourages terrorism.

Do people really believe that if Mi6 were genuinely concerned about Corbyn nothing would leak out until the day of the election?

"Personally I am extremely concerned about Theresa May's views"

She's already been vetted as she is PM.

Personally I am extremely concerned about Theresa May's views.
Me too. She's aligning herself with Trump's views.

But in what context? 'Events' in Tunisia? Would Michael Fallon celebrating Assad's 'election' win also be flagged?

There's a reason it's called the Torygraph, you know. Why do people parrot propaganda so readily these days without taking even the briefest moment to consider the source?

@explodedCloud - wreath laying in "support of all killed by Mossad" (which happened to be at the grave of a Palestinian terrorist) .

I abhor dictatorships but many countries are governed this way - Corbyn has also met with Assad.

Theresa May was slow to speak out about Trump's travel ban in January.
She has said little about Trump's online attack of Sadiq Khan.
Now she wants to alter the human rights laws.

She wants to alter the human right's act to give other people a chance to live.

It's not altering it to deliberately fuck over nice and kind individuals is it?

It's about alterations that lead to mass murderers being stopped from carrying on mass murders.

His views that I disagree with - that we can negotiate with isis. I totally do not trust him to manage the police / armed forces etc. He & McDonnell have previously called for police to be unarmed, mi5 to be disbanded... I think he is naive and McDonnell is even more alarming. I don't trust them to put the safety of our country first.

It's all a bit subjective isn't It?

If Corbyn becomes PM he has to sit round the table with the heads of the intelligence services and the military in order to safeguard the safety of the citizens of this country.
By that point, it doesn't matter if I believe he's a terrorist sympathiser or an anti- Semite, but the other people round that table will have a very clear idea of his past and what his actual part in any peace process was.
He has been a thorn in the side of the establishment his entire political career and I think it will be a challenge for him to have a meaningful and productive relationship with the people whose knowledge and expertise he has shown very little respect for. An example would be his voting record on anti- terror legislation.

I don't think he's ever said we could negotiate with ISIS.

Assad ten years ago was seen as a progressive leader

The terrorist that Corbyn laid a wreath at grace was involved in the 1972 Munich massacre. If you are not aware of that it was at the Olympic village eleven Olympic athletes from Israel were murdered

I wonder if Corbyn also visited those that were innocently murdered graves

How can a man with such poor and one sided judgement be involved in real international peace talks he simply can't

But he can be petty and not share a platform with a nasty Tory he is a fucking idiot

@fortnum if you have had anything to do with vetting then you'll know that it's more about whether you are hiding your past and therefore open to blackmail.

As long as you believe in democracy of course.

An alternative perspective to the Telegraph, and one that seems to have more relationship with historical and present day facts, is that Corbyn is and has always been a peace campaigner.

He was awarded the Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award in 2013:-

gandhifoundation.org/2014/01/09/the-gandhi-foundation-international-peace-award-2013/

"The Trustees of The Gandhi Foundation agreed to offer him our International Peace Award in recognition of his consistent efforts over a 30 year Parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence. Besides being a popular and hard‐working constituency MP he has made time to speak and write extensively in support of human rights at home and world‐wide. His committed opposition to neocolonial wars and to nuclear weapons has repeatedly shown the lack of truth in the arguments of those who have opposed him."

If you still want to believe he's a terrorist, then do so. As I see it, the biggest threat to the health, well-being and mortality of my family and community are further years of ideologically driven 'austerity' and TM's absolute lack of coherent plan re Brexit and security measures.

"I don't think he's ever said we could negotiate with ISIS."

He hasn't. But it's no use pointing it out to the FakeNews gang.

"The terrorist that Corbyn laid a wreath at grace was involved in the 1972 Munich massacre. If you are not aware of that it was at the Olympic village eleven Olympic athletes from Israel were murdered "

He didn't do this either. But hey ho.

Here here, WalkingOnLegO!

It's in the Telegraph - a paper which is losing subscribers, staff and reputational authority by the day. Private Eye has been writing about this for some time now; the paper's advertisers are apparently exercising increased control over content. Notable examples being PR pieces on Russia which are not at all critical of the events over there that other papers are reporting.

The papers owners are also non-doms (as is the Daily Mail), who stand to lose an awful lot in tax if the governmental regime changes and Labour bring in their manifesto promises regarding taxation. So perhaps they have a vested interest in biased reporting?

I am not a Corbyn fan by the way. But if you look behind the media into structure and ownership, the self-interest which motivates a certain political position suddenly becomes clear.