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AIBU to think that most people on Mumsnet would like to live like this?

384 replies

Uktopia · 08/06/2017 08:36

I live in a European country and have done for twenty years.

After one to three years' maternity leave (paid by the state, not the employer), which can be taken by either parent, nursery care is free from the age of one until the start of school.

University is free and all who graduate high school are admitted. Child benefit (non-means-tested) is paid until the child is 27 as long as they are in education.

I can always see the GP the same day. I can self refer to 8 different specialists per year and often get an appointment within a week or two and sometimes the same or next day (for more than 8, the GP can refer). Dentists (and for children, orthodontists) are included. If you have a chronic health condition, you can be prescribed a spa stay of three weeks to a specialised centre to help you manage your condition. Medical-grade breast pumps are prescribed to new mothers. There is no concept of a waiting list for operations or treatment. Sick pay is paid by the health system, as is carer's leave when your kids are sick. Disability benefits are permanent where the disability is unlikely to improve; no revaluation needed. IVF is free for four cycles per child and you can have as many children as you would have wanted had you not had fertility problems (guess what, most people stop at two).

Social housing is plentiful and no private landlords are involved in the system at all. For families with children with average incomes, the waiting lists are short. In the private property market, there is rent control and a lot of protection for tenants, so people can feel that a rented house is a home. Property speculation is disincentivised so house prices are fair. The state offers interest free loans to improve the basic amenities of your home, such as heating.

Unemployment insurance pays 80% of your last wage (to a cap of approx. 2.5% of the average income). For the first 7 months you are not obliged to take a job that pays less than your previous one or that is not in your field; after that you have to jump through a few hoops but nothing like the jobcentre. If you lose your eligibility for unemployment and have no income, you get emergency money of approx. £700 per month for as long as it takes. Despite it being very easy to stay on benefits, unemployment is low and recent years have seen periods of full employment.

Every four years, if your employer agrees, you can take a one year educational sabbatical anywhere in the world and the state pays 80% of your salary. I got my Oxford graduate degree for free. My job was protected until I went back.

Public transport is faster than driving as services are so frequent. A full annual all zones pass in the capital city costs less than £1 a day. An annual pass covering all public transport in the whole country, unlimited, is approx. £950. The rail system is state owned and tickets are based on a per kilometre price, rather than being pushed up by market forces.

Crime is low. Kids walk to school alone from a young age and women walk home alone at night at 3am.

When I earned exactly the average income (then £12,000 p.a.) I paid almost zero tax. Now I earn a lot more, so pay a lot of tax, but from my net income I can still comfortably save 50% as the cost of living is low even in the capital. The economy is fairly buoyant in general and most people would count as prosperous in the UK.

There's no nanny state or increased governmental control (in fact, the UK exerts much more control over its citizens). There's just a general lack of anxiety about the trials of life such as unemployment or disability.

It's no utopia, and the people are so used to some of these provisions that they take them totally for granted.

The UK could have this, and to be honest, I think we'd do it better and appreciate it more. Hearing people ridicule magical money trees while living in a real system like this is heartbreaking.

Voting Conservative today will take us further from a country like this than ever before.

OP posts:
PigletWasPoohsFriend · 08/06/2017 08:38

And another one.....

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 08/06/2017 08:38

Oh and welcome to mumsnet OP.

Fishfingersandwich9 · 08/06/2017 08:39

Which country are you talking about?

luckylucky24 · 08/06/2017 08:39

Voting Labour will bankrupt the country. Either way this country will never be like that. Seems as you do not live in the UK why are you trying to influence votes?

dontbesillyhenry · 08/06/2017 08:40

actual LOL

Bishybarnybee · 08/06/2017 08:40

I think we need to know where this Utopia is.

TheNaze73 · 08/06/2017 08:41
Biscuit
expatinscotland · 08/06/2017 08:42

I'm anything but a Conservative voter, but your OP sounds like total BS.

PaintingOwls · 08/06/2017 08:42

And you live where?

squashedstephenfry · 08/06/2017 08:43

Got such a long OP you forgot the most important piece of information

where????

Although your spelling, grammar and paragraphs are good, so I'm happy with that Grin

namechange20050 · 08/06/2017 08:44

Do you live in Switzerland?

Elllicam · 08/06/2017 08:44

That sounds nice. Where is it?

x2boys · 08/06/2017 08:44

If its so fantastic where you live why do you care how people living in the UK vote?Hmm

BigGreenOlives · 08/06/2017 08:45

Luxemburg I think.

Sandsnake · 08/06/2017 08:45

Which country? Genuinely interested. If it is somewhere like, for example, Norway then it is impossible to compare to the UK as our demographics are completely different (and we don't have a massive oil fund!).

Longdistance · 08/06/2017 08:46

ODFOD Biscuit

squashedstephenfry · 08/06/2017 08:48

I was thinking Sweden

Can we talk about the climate in your utopia please?

Fruitcocktail6 · 08/06/2017 08:48

Do you live in Scandinavia? DP and I have considered moving there.

You are not wrong OP, it's perfectly possible but people in the U.K. are terrified of it for some reason.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 08/06/2017 08:49

Quite a few of these policies, or similar, are in effect in Germany (but I don't think it's there, because not everything is accurate). We have the state-paid parental leave (65% of last net salary for a year or half paid out over two), the easy(ish) access to specialists, moderate (means-tested) nursery fees and in some places the last couple of kindergarten years free, non-means-tested child benefit until 27 if in education, fair (I think - am sure a lot of Germans feel they are paying too much) tax progression, 67% of last net salary for a year after unemployment, and robust tenants' rights and rent controls.

As much as I miss it, I currently wouldn't go back to the UK.

StripeyCurtains · 08/06/2017 08:49

Did the politics. What's the weather like there?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 08/06/2017 08:49

I've worked out where it is.

The land of make believe Wink

Firesuit · 08/06/2017 08:50

Germany, I thought. (Though the childcare sounds Swedish.)

edwinbear · 08/06/2017 08:53

Does the state also provide baby unicorns 🦄 free?

Maudlinmaud · 08/06/2017 08:55

So transparent.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 08/06/2017 08:55

Oh yes, we have sick pay via the health insurance system and the three-week spa stays too - there are special centres for mothers/fathers and children. IVF I think is only one or two cycles on statutory health insurance, with strict age limits and you have to self-fund if you are not married, which is a spot of WTF backwardness in a very progressive overall system.

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