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AIBU to think that most people on Mumsnet would like to live like this?

384 replies

Uktopia · 08/06/2017 08:36

I live in a European country and have done for twenty years.

After one to three years' maternity leave (paid by the state, not the employer), which can be taken by either parent, nursery care is free from the age of one until the start of school.

University is free and all who graduate high school are admitted. Child benefit (non-means-tested) is paid until the child is 27 as long as they are in education.

I can always see the GP the same day. I can self refer to 8 different specialists per year and often get an appointment within a week or two and sometimes the same or next day (for more than 8, the GP can refer). Dentists (and for children, orthodontists) are included. If you have a chronic health condition, you can be prescribed a spa stay of three weeks to a specialised centre to help you manage your condition. Medical-grade breast pumps are prescribed to new mothers. There is no concept of a waiting list for operations or treatment. Sick pay is paid by the health system, as is carer's leave when your kids are sick. Disability benefits are permanent where the disability is unlikely to improve; no revaluation needed. IVF is free for four cycles per child and you can have as many children as you would have wanted had you not had fertility problems (guess what, most people stop at two).

Social housing is plentiful and no private landlords are involved in the system at all. For families with children with average incomes, the waiting lists are short. In the private property market, there is rent control and a lot of protection for tenants, so people can feel that a rented house is a home. Property speculation is disincentivised so house prices are fair. The state offers interest free loans to improve the basic amenities of your home, such as heating.

Unemployment insurance pays 80% of your last wage (to a cap of approx. 2.5% of the average income). For the first 7 months you are not obliged to take a job that pays less than your previous one or that is not in your field; after that you have to jump through a few hoops but nothing like the jobcentre. If you lose your eligibility for unemployment and have no income, you get emergency money of approx. £700 per month for as long as it takes. Despite it being very easy to stay on benefits, unemployment is low and recent years have seen periods of full employment.

Every four years, if your employer agrees, you can take a one year educational sabbatical anywhere in the world and the state pays 80% of your salary. I got my Oxford graduate degree for free. My job was protected until I went back.

Public transport is faster than driving as services are so frequent. A full annual all zones pass in the capital city costs less than £1 a day. An annual pass covering all public transport in the whole country, unlimited, is approx. £950. The rail system is state owned and tickets are based on a per kilometre price, rather than being pushed up by market forces.

Crime is low. Kids walk to school alone from a young age and women walk home alone at night at 3am.

When I earned exactly the average income (then £12,000 p.a.) I paid almost zero tax. Now I earn a lot more, so pay a lot of tax, but from my net income I can still comfortably save 50% as the cost of living is low even in the capital. The economy is fairly buoyant in general and most people would count as prosperous in the UK.

There's no nanny state or increased governmental control (in fact, the UK exerts much more control over its citizens). There's just a general lack of anxiety about the trials of life such as unemployment or disability.

It's no utopia, and the people are so used to some of these provisions that they take them totally for granted.

The UK could have this, and to be honest, I think we'd do it better and appreciate it more. Hearing people ridicule magical money trees while living in a real system like this is heartbreaking.

Voting Conservative today will take us further from a country like this than ever before.

OP posts:
LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 08/06/2017 08:56

If you live in your little utopia then it's fuck all to do with you who we vote for.

HTH

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/06/2017 08:59

If you don't live in the UK why are you trying to influence the result of the UK election? Tell us which country it is and we can all start posting on message boards there trying to influence their next election - I am sure it will be appreciated.

Is this a new attempt by the Russians to hack the UK election? Wink

Alittlepotofrosie · 08/06/2017 09:00

Child benefit till age 27?! No i would never be in favour of that.

Wherever you live tax must be astronomical.

CatThiefKeith · 08/06/2017 09:00

I think it's Norway, or possibly Sweden. Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't be considered particularly left wing in either of those Countries, or so I've been told.

GerdaLovesLili · 08/06/2017 09:00

If only we could trust our politicians to use our tax money wisely rather than point score against each other and flush it down the drain. Do you have PR or FPTP system OP? I think that might be the actual key to you Utopia. Politcal accountability and all that.

MoonfaceAndSilky · 08/06/2017 09:00

Is it one of those weird worlds on Star Trek where everyone is beautiful and there are no old people? Grin

GizzyTiedToATree · 08/06/2017 09:00

This is France, isn't it? I have lived in France for longer than you and I think you and I think you are deluded about the state of the country.

dArtagnansCrumpet · 08/06/2017 09:03

I also thought Sweden too. I'm sure there are better and some worse places to live. I have would guess to get this ideology you would need to pay hoards more tax which I don't think would go down too well tbh.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 08/06/2017 09:03

Is it one of those weird worlds on Star Trek where everyone is beautiful and there are no old people?

Or that film Cacoon

KatharinaRosalie · 08/06/2017 09:05

Finland I would guess. Sounds about right to me - I'm from a neighbouring country with similar provisions, so nothing unbelievable in the OP.

liminality · 08/06/2017 09:05

Funny how all the brits think this is impossible. Well good luck to you all, hope the food banks hold up over the next decade. Hopefully we still have some kind of reciprocity so we can take some of you in downunder.

TheScottishPlay · 08/06/2017 09:08

This has not helped the cause in any way OP.

Brainwashed · 08/06/2017 09:09

C'mon just tell us where this is so we can get on with our days. I'm thinking Finland....

Coddiwomple · 08/06/2017 09:10

Very interested to hear which country you are talking about.

If it is Sweden, Switzerland or Finland, the nationals I work with have a very different view of their own country, and work in the UK funnily enough. So do tell us more.

ClarkWGriswold · 08/06/2017 09:11

What's your pension like or do they just shoot you when you turn 60 to allow the saved pension money to be used on your fantastical earlier life?

Also if you already live in this utopia why do you care about a British election?

highinthesky · 08/06/2017 09:11

*Wherever you live tax must be astronomical."

The average wage is low, and the OP pays no tax on it. What's the incentive for anyone to contribute to the economy more than the bare minimum?

BitofaPoorEffort · 08/06/2017 09:11

I'm sure it isn'the perfect...but it sure sounds better. If we didn't have to stick around for family reasons, I'd be trying hard to get to Scandinavia...I bloody hate being cold but I'd live with it

(As for posters pooh-poohing Child Benefit to 27...when your 27 year old has a developmental age of 7, things can seem very different...)

Maudlinmaud · 08/06/2017 09:12

Is it true about child benefit. Seriously how is any country not on its ass doing that.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/06/2017 09:12

If it is somewhere like, for example, Norway then it is impossible to compare to the UK as our demographics are completely different (and we don't have a massive oil fund!).

Parts of the UK do (Shetland from memory?). The rest of the UK might have had a massive oil fund but the Government of the day was committed to free market sale of assets rather than Government managing state assets for the long term.

If this is France we are talking about, no definitely not as Utopian as posted although basic services have been much better protected/

elevenclips · 08/06/2017 09:13

The benefits sound lovely op. Where is the money raised to pay for it as it sounds expensive? Is the govt. an arms dealer or something?

Cromwell1536 · 08/06/2017 09:13

Some of the policies are German. Child benefit until 27 if in full-time education stuck out - been highly criticised by respected sources like IFS and OECD as being a massive subsidy of wealthier citizens. But classic pork-barrel for the middle classes, so a classic example of how welfarism often works out.

So where is it OP? Or have you vanished now, you fool?

GerdaLovesLili · 08/06/2017 09:16

And isn't it amazing how voting Labour hasn't allowed this magic to happen in the past? Surely if they were going to implement this they could have done it before now?

c3pu · 08/06/2017 09:16

OP, your description of this utopia and Jeremy Corbyn's plan for a banana republic sound poles apart.

ssd · 08/06/2017 09:17

you live in Denmark, don't you op?

PhilODox · 08/06/2017 09:19

Hmm, presumably Sweden, so only 8 million people to actually pay for/provide for. (Or 4m in Norway,