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AIBU to think that most people on Mumsnet would like to live like this?

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Uktopia · 08/06/2017 08:36

I live in a European country and have done for twenty years.

After one to three years' maternity leave (paid by the state, not the employer), which can be taken by either parent, nursery care is free from the age of one until the start of school.

University is free and all who graduate high school are admitted. Child benefit (non-means-tested) is paid until the child is 27 as long as they are in education.

I can always see the GP the same day. I can self refer to 8 different specialists per year and often get an appointment within a week or two and sometimes the same or next day (for more than 8, the GP can refer). Dentists (and for children, orthodontists) are included. If you have a chronic health condition, you can be prescribed a spa stay of three weeks to a specialised centre to help you manage your condition. Medical-grade breast pumps are prescribed to new mothers. There is no concept of a waiting list for operations or treatment. Sick pay is paid by the health system, as is carer's leave when your kids are sick. Disability benefits are permanent where the disability is unlikely to improve; no revaluation needed. IVF is free for four cycles per child and you can have as many children as you would have wanted had you not had fertility problems (guess what, most people stop at two).

Social housing is plentiful and no private landlords are involved in the system at all. For families with children with average incomes, the waiting lists are short. In the private property market, there is rent control and a lot of protection for tenants, so people can feel that a rented house is a home. Property speculation is disincentivised so house prices are fair. The state offers interest free loans to improve the basic amenities of your home, such as heating.

Unemployment insurance pays 80% of your last wage (to a cap of approx. 2.5% of the average income). For the first 7 months you are not obliged to take a job that pays less than your previous one or that is not in your field; after that you have to jump through a few hoops but nothing like the jobcentre. If you lose your eligibility for unemployment and have no income, you get emergency money of approx. £700 per month for as long as it takes. Despite it being very easy to stay on benefits, unemployment is low and recent years have seen periods of full employment.

Every four years, if your employer agrees, you can take a one year educational sabbatical anywhere in the world and the state pays 80% of your salary. I got my Oxford graduate degree for free. My job was protected until I went back.

Public transport is faster than driving as services are so frequent. A full annual all zones pass in the capital city costs less than £1 a day. An annual pass covering all public transport in the whole country, unlimited, is approx. £950. The rail system is state owned and tickets are based on a per kilometre price, rather than being pushed up by market forces.

Crime is low. Kids walk to school alone from a young age and women walk home alone at night at 3am.

When I earned exactly the average income (then £12,000 p.a.) I paid almost zero tax. Now I earn a lot more, so pay a lot of tax, but from my net income I can still comfortably save 50% as the cost of living is low even in the capital. The economy is fairly buoyant in general and most people would count as prosperous in the UK.

There's no nanny state or increased governmental control (in fact, the UK exerts much more control over its citizens). There's just a general lack of anxiety about the trials of life such as unemployment or disability.

It's no utopia, and the people are so used to some of these provisions that they take them totally for granted.

The UK could have this, and to be honest, I think we'd do it better and appreciate it more. Hearing people ridicule magical money trees while living in a real system like this is heartbreaking.

Voting Conservative today will take us further from a country like this than ever before.

OP posts:
LinzerTorte · 09/06/2017 16:29

If the OP is talking about Austria (and I'm pretty sure she is), most people aren't - as Igneococcus says - in education until they're 27; vocational education/training (starting at 14) and apprenticeships (starting at 15) are very common here and last for three to four years.

A previous poster mentioned being at university from 18-27, but 18 would be the very youngest age that you would start university in most cases. My DD is at a vocational college and, if she does the qualification that would entitle her to go to university, she wouldn't start university until she was 20. If she was a boy, she would be starting at 21 as national service is still compulsory here. Plus, as I said earlier in the thread, the maximum age for child benefit has now been reduced from 27 to 24.

GinUser · 09/06/2017 16:34

I live in Europe, although probably not in OP's country.
There are good things and bad, the same as everywhere.
However, the weather and food are much better and I probably have a far better "lifestyle" - whatever that is - than in the UK, where I no longer exist.

falange · 09/06/2017 17:53

YABU. sounds ridiculous. what's the point of everyone going to university?paying child benefit for adults? No, I wouldn't like to live there. And it's nothing to do with you how we vote.

Formeressexgirl · 09/06/2017 18:14

Hilarious. You forget to mention we are all on 90% tax rate to pay for all this 'free stuff' 😂

Natsku · 09/06/2017 18:31

Ah the 90% tax rate... if I earned what I currently get on unemployment (so just enough to live on) I'd pay a whopping 6% income tax. OH earned between 2000 and 4000 euros a month the last year and paid in total 26% which was all taxes and pension payments etc.

cocodomingo · 09/06/2017 18:38

I would love to live in this country...where is it? I suspect the language is not easy to learn though

Betsybackwater · 09/06/2017 18:38

OP you can't tempt us with this land then not tell us where it is!!!!!

user1468689507 · 09/06/2017 18:46

Life is far too short to be wasted reading such fiction. What's your agenda?

missperegrinespeculiar · 09/06/2017 18:56

what's the point of everyone going to university? oh, I don't know, an educated, well-informed citizenry? everybody being able to explore their interests and learn without being crippled by debts? why would we think education is only for certain people or for the purpose of a job? such a narrow minded view of what learning is about! and, yes, of course, one can learn outside of Universities, too, and good luck to them if they so choose, but university education should not be just for the rich!

Formeressexgirl · 09/06/2017 19:28

Well you clearly have it nailed. Leave us Brits to wallow in self pity. Unless you'd care to send us some of those magic money trees that you have in abundance over in this mystery land of plenty.

chubbylover78 · 09/06/2017 19:35

Germany pay child benefit till age 27 if in education. But still wouldn't make me want to live there, utopia or not.

fullofhope03 · 09/06/2017 20:52

This is either a wind up or you're coming across as beyond smug.

whoputthecatout · 09/06/2017 21:25

There's a sentence missing from the beginning of the OP's post.

It's "Once upon a time in land far away...."

fullofhope03 · 09/06/2017 21:47

I'm officially an idiot! This is a wind up!
!

Maireadplastic · 09/06/2017 22:30

Love the sound of that OP.

As a Canadian friends noted recently 'thr trouble with Brits is the want a Scandanavian society on US taxes'.

I'd pay any % for what you offer, OP.

Mollymutkin · 10/06/2017 10:06

I think OP is living in Denmark. I recently read 'A year of living Danishly' by Hellen Russell. I do believe that once the UK has left the EU we could do well to try and take on some of the ways of the Danish, at least you can get some real benefits from higher tax

Maireadplastic · 10/06/2017 10:40

Did we really need to leave the EU to achieve this though Mollymutkin? We just need the understanding that to get this we need to pay more tax. We need to understand that tax isn't bad.

Greenpineapple · 10/06/2017 10:59

Don't get why some people on here are so hostile. The UK is not necessarily the best of all possible worlds. The system we have is the result of deliberate political choices, and those could have been made differently, perhaps to benefit the majority of citizens more. Plenty of other European countries have done so; yes in some places you pay more for it but is that so terrible? In the UK it seems taxes rise and yet public services just get worse. Good for you OP, I'd move there too if I could.

Oliversmumsarmy · 10/06/2017 13:54

what's the point of everyone going to university? oh, I don't know, an educated, well-informed citizenry? everybody being able to explore their interests and learn without being crippled by debts

In the meantime you have pretty pictures instead of some where to live because at university people are studying to be an architect. But there are no builders to build the houses.

Everyone expects water to come out of a tap, and to be able to flush the toilet. Everyone expects to switch on a light switch or turn on a boiler.
What about people who are interested in plumbing, plastering, electrics. Who don't want to go to university.

Natsku · 10/06/2017 13:59

That's why in many European countries we have a proper vocational alternative to university (and to high school) in vocational high schools and vocational universities that are free like universities and just as respected.

Bodicea · 10/06/2017 14:07

I love the idea of a high tax system where everyone gets all the benefits and nothing is means tested.
Unfortunately labour is not about that. It's about taxing the moderate to high earners and means testing everything so they get nothing back. So I voted conservative.

KatharinaRosalie · 10/06/2017 14:32

Just because everybody can go to university does not mean everybody will. In many countries, as a pp said, vocational education is great and a totally comparable choice - not something you do because you couldn't afford to go to uni.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 10/06/2017 14:47

Is it Austria. We recently spent some time in Austria and really liked it. We are also looking to move abroad in three years.

Maireadplastic · 10/06/2017 16:12

Bodicea- that's hilarious!!!!!

Bodicea · 11/06/2017 00:36

What a smug post mairead.

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