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AIBU to think that most people on Mumsnet would like to live like this?

384 replies

Uktopia · 08/06/2017 08:36

I live in a European country and have done for twenty years.

After one to three years' maternity leave (paid by the state, not the employer), which can be taken by either parent, nursery care is free from the age of one until the start of school.

University is free and all who graduate high school are admitted. Child benefit (non-means-tested) is paid until the child is 27 as long as they are in education.

I can always see the GP the same day. I can self refer to 8 different specialists per year and often get an appointment within a week or two and sometimes the same or next day (for more than 8, the GP can refer). Dentists (and for children, orthodontists) are included. If you have a chronic health condition, you can be prescribed a spa stay of three weeks to a specialised centre to help you manage your condition. Medical-grade breast pumps are prescribed to new mothers. There is no concept of a waiting list for operations or treatment. Sick pay is paid by the health system, as is carer's leave when your kids are sick. Disability benefits are permanent where the disability is unlikely to improve; no revaluation needed. IVF is free for four cycles per child and you can have as many children as you would have wanted had you not had fertility problems (guess what, most people stop at two).

Social housing is plentiful and no private landlords are involved in the system at all. For families with children with average incomes, the waiting lists are short. In the private property market, there is rent control and a lot of protection for tenants, so people can feel that a rented house is a home. Property speculation is disincentivised so house prices are fair. The state offers interest free loans to improve the basic amenities of your home, such as heating.

Unemployment insurance pays 80% of your last wage (to a cap of approx. 2.5% of the average income). For the first 7 months you are not obliged to take a job that pays less than your previous one or that is not in your field; after that you have to jump through a few hoops but nothing like the jobcentre. If you lose your eligibility for unemployment and have no income, you get emergency money of approx. £700 per month for as long as it takes. Despite it being very easy to stay on benefits, unemployment is low and recent years have seen periods of full employment.

Every four years, if your employer agrees, you can take a one year educational sabbatical anywhere in the world and the state pays 80% of your salary. I got my Oxford graduate degree for free. My job was protected until I went back.

Public transport is faster than driving as services are so frequent. A full annual all zones pass in the capital city costs less than £1 a day. An annual pass covering all public transport in the whole country, unlimited, is approx. £950. The rail system is state owned and tickets are based on a per kilometre price, rather than being pushed up by market forces.

Crime is low. Kids walk to school alone from a young age and women walk home alone at night at 3am.

When I earned exactly the average income (then £12,000 p.a.) I paid almost zero tax. Now I earn a lot more, so pay a lot of tax, but from my net income I can still comfortably save 50% as the cost of living is low even in the capital. The economy is fairly buoyant in general and most people would count as prosperous in the UK.

There's no nanny state or increased governmental control (in fact, the UK exerts much more control over its citizens). There's just a general lack of anxiety about the trials of life such as unemployment or disability.

It's no utopia, and the people are so used to some of these provisions that they take them totally for granted.

The UK could have this, and to be honest, I think we'd do it better and appreciate it more. Hearing people ridicule magical money trees while living in a real system like this is heartbreaking.

Voting Conservative today will take us further from a country like this than ever before.

OP posts:
sparechange · 08/06/2017 09:38

Self refer to 8 specialists a year? Shock
This place can't exist, or my hypochondriac parents would have relocated there years ago

How much oil wealth does this country have, and what sort of dodgy investments has its sovereign wealth fund made to support this level of paternalistic state intervention?

Nikephorus · 08/06/2017 09:39

Is it the land at the top of the Magic Faraway Tree? I'm beginning to think that Enid Blyton inspired the Labour Party - only difference was that she knew she was writing fiction.
And the more that Labour voters come on here spouting bollocks the more of a Tory I become. (And to think, once I voted for Tony Blair)

Chaotica · 08/06/2017 09:42

Why are so many posters so pissed off? Do you honestly not know that there are countries like this? Yes -- tax is high, but the benefits are too.

And the OP is totally entitled to 'us' if she/he is British and still a citizen.

LaurieFairyCake · 08/06/2017 09:42

You people are being very rude !

Sounds like a great country with practically full employment. I disagree that people are disincentivised to work - they're clearly not in the OP's country.

I'd be grateful to know where this is OP, please ignore the rude posters.

Run4Fun · 08/06/2017 09:43

I don't know why everyone's so pissed off at this.
It's yet another voting thead in disguise

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 08/06/2017 09:44

You people are being very rude

Not really.

A new OP on the day of an election starting another Tory bashing thread.

x2boys · 08/06/2017 09:46

GrinNikephorus I used to love the magic faraway tree if we could have a wishing chair too that would be quite something!

Kokusai · 08/06/2017 09:46

If its scandi you are ignoring the sovereign wealth fund they have which the UK doesn't have .

If its lux you are ignoring the face it is a dog shit place to live with NOTHING to do and massive pollution.

c3pu · 08/06/2017 09:47

Oooh oooh I know which country it is - it's the one where Corbyn plans to grow his magic money tree.

cabbage67 · 08/06/2017 09:47

Really OP?

Goldenbear · 08/06/2017 09:47

YANBU. I think it's Germany. My Father broke his leg about 9 months ago, he has a friend who is German and is absolutely shocked by the way in which his treatment, specifically the delayed treatment for physio and further operations in a top London hospital has panned out. Their health care system is a 1000 times more efficient and not caught up in politics or winning general elections. It is multi-payer, compulsory, employer-based, highly regulated so people are not faced with absurd health insurance fees. The UK has to do something about health and education, it's worrying so many think this is insurmountable!

c3pu · 08/06/2017 09:48

You people are being very rude

You're new to AIBU, aren't you? Grin

Nikephorus · 08/06/2017 09:48

x2boys How to beat the traffic but not so good on a rainy day Grin
(still not convinced that those little wings would be enough to make the chair fly, or that it wouldn't be top heavy....)

user1471545174 · 08/06/2017 09:49

Come back OP we are not all horrible

Dear god.

LemonSalad · 08/06/2017 09:49

Sparechange, no referral needed in Germany to see a specialist and I'm not aware of any type of limit per year.

x2boys · 08/06/2017 09:50

NikeporusGrin

Coddiwomple · 08/06/2017 09:50

If it is true, why keeping the country a secret? Is the OP worried we're all moving there tomorrow?

Is it partially true, but the OP left out more than a few negatives and doesn't want anyone to point them out?
Or is it just a list of the various positive things from a list of random countries?

I could paint you a very attractive figure of North Korea too, it's not difficult to slightly bend the truth to describe any country.

OP? Still there?

BartholinsSister · 08/06/2017 09:50

It must be a country with terrible internet access, that's why OP hasn't returned.

x2boys · 08/06/2017 09:51

Nikephorus even!

BarbaraofSeville · 08/06/2017 09:51

It could be Iceland. Their murder rate is one of the lowest in the world at just a handful a year, so it was considered very shocking last year when a young woman was murdered walking home late at night. The prime suspects were two fishermen from Greenland who had docked on the island.

Monkeypuzzle32 · 08/06/2017 09:51

Why do you care if your life is so 'perfect'?

newlabelwriter · 08/06/2017 09:52

In answer to your question, OP, yes I'd love to live like that.

Sunfun11 · 08/06/2017 09:52

Yes OP I would like to live in a country like that.

How miserable posters have been, they must hate the idea of equality. How very unattractive.

user1471545174 · 08/06/2017 09:55

Equality, Sunfun? Equal to places elsewhere in the world? If this Utopia is open to others (= equal), I give it a year.

Brittbugs80 · 08/06/2017 10:05

You're not a child at 27 though. You're not a child over the age of 18.

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