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AIBU to think that most people on Mumsnet would like to live like this?

384 replies

Uktopia · 08/06/2017 08:36

I live in a European country and have done for twenty years.

After one to three years' maternity leave (paid by the state, not the employer), which can be taken by either parent, nursery care is free from the age of one until the start of school.

University is free and all who graduate high school are admitted. Child benefit (non-means-tested) is paid until the child is 27 as long as they are in education.

I can always see the GP the same day. I can self refer to 8 different specialists per year and often get an appointment within a week or two and sometimes the same or next day (for more than 8, the GP can refer). Dentists (and for children, orthodontists) are included. If you have a chronic health condition, you can be prescribed a spa stay of three weeks to a specialised centre to help you manage your condition. Medical-grade breast pumps are prescribed to new mothers. There is no concept of a waiting list for operations or treatment. Sick pay is paid by the health system, as is carer's leave when your kids are sick. Disability benefits are permanent where the disability is unlikely to improve; no revaluation needed. IVF is free for four cycles per child and you can have as many children as you would have wanted had you not had fertility problems (guess what, most people stop at two).

Social housing is plentiful and no private landlords are involved in the system at all. For families with children with average incomes, the waiting lists are short. In the private property market, there is rent control and a lot of protection for tenants, so people can feel that a rented house is a home. Property speculation is disincentivised so house prices are fair. The state offers interest free loans to improve the basic amenities of your home, such as heating.

Unemployment insurance pays 80% of your last wage (to a cap of approx. 2.5% of the average income). For the first 7 months you are not obliged to take a job that pays less than your previous one or that is not in your field; after that you have to jump through a few hoops but nothing like the jobcentre. If you lose your eligibility for unemployment and have no income, you get emergency money of approx. £700 per month for as long as it takes. Despite it being very easy to stay on benefits, unemployment is low and recent years have seen periods of full employment.

Every four years, if your employer agrees, you can take a one year educational sabbatical anywhere in the world and the state pays 80% of your salary. I got my Oxford graduate degree for free. My job was protected until I went back.

Public transport is faster than driving as services are so frequent. A full annual all zones pass in the capital city costs less than £1 a day. An annual pass covering all public transport in the whole country, unlimited, is approx. £950. The rail system is state owned and tickets are based on a per kilometre price, rather than being pushed up by market forces.

Crime is low. Kids walk to school alone from a young age and women walk home alone at night at 3am.

When I earned exactly the average income (then £12,000 p.a.) I paid almost zero tax. Now I earn a lot more, so pay a lot of tax, but from my net income I can still comfortably save 50% as the cost of living is low even in the capital. The economy is fairly buoyant in general and most people would count as prosperous in the UK.

There's no nanny state or increased governmental control (in fact, the UK exerts much more control over its citizens). There's just a general lack of anxiety about the trials of life such as unemployment or disability.

It's no utopia, and the people are so used to some of these provisions that they take them totally for granted.

The UK could have this, and to be honest, I think we'd do it better and appreciate it more. Hearing people ridicule magical money trees while living in a real system like this is heartbreaking.

Voting Conservative today will take us further from a country like this than ever before.

OP posts:
allegretto · 08/06/2017 09:21

Sounds greaat but also siunds like a country with a much smaller population than the UK.

Oogle · 08/06/2017 09:21

"Voting Conservative today will take us further from a country like this than ever before".

But you apparently don't live in the UK so why are you referring to "us"?

I am SO looking forward to this bloody election being over. Every thread you open is election related.

Dandandandandandandan · 08/06/2017 09:22

Lololol

Typing that is 20 mins of your life you'll never get back, OP.

Oh and I doubt you'd get into oxford either!

namechange20050 · 08/06/2017 09:23

I don't understand why this thread has pissed so many posters off? I found it interesting.

OhDearToby · 08/06/2017 09:24

Is it Germany?

This is a fun game

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 08/06/2017 09:24

yeah and you have really long, dark winters and everyone gets really depressed (higher depression rates more that the UK even!)

Grin
BarbaraofSeville · 08/06/2017 09:25

There must be a downside though. Who covers all the work when people are off on extended parental leave or sabbaticals?

Is day to day living affordable? If people work less because they get all this paid time off, everything must be expensive?

Is it a country with a small population? Things that work for a few million people don't always work so well in a country with a population tens times bigger.

They say that people in the UK expect Scandinavian style public services but US level taxes. It all sounds very lovely, but would require a huge cultural shift in the UK.

LemonSalad · 08/06/2017 09:25

I agree with Haybales, a lot of the things the OP mentioned sound like Germany, although not everything. And yes, JC wouldn't be considered hard left here.
It's not a perfect system by a long way but when you compare the two, the living standards of poorer people and the state of public services in the UK are truly shocking.

Ariawyn · 08/06/2017 09:26

op has gone away....

where are you???

Purplepicnic · 08/06/2017 09:26

How on earth is all that financed?

BadTasteFlump · 08/06/2017 09:27

Oh bore off OP.

I've voted so am now off to S&B to talk about shoes Smile

x2boys · 08/06/2017 09:27

Interesting the Op has not returned to tell us where this country isHmm

Oblomov17 · 08/06/2017 09:28

Doesn't sound quite like any European country.

Troll?

BarbaraofSeville · 08/06/2017 09:29

So it's a country with a small population, so you have fewer people to receive all these government benefits, but receives significant taxes from a different source to personal taxation, because low/average earners pay little in tax.

And if it is a Nordic or Scandinavian country many people would find the climate and variation in daylight over the year a significant downside that would be hard to live with.

GretchenFranklin · 08/06/2017 09:29

People are very rude on here and yes I would love to live in a country like that.

MacarenaFerreiro · 08/06/2017 09:32

so pay a lot of tax

There's your answer.

Spain used to admit everyone who achieved an A-level pass into University. There was a massive hoohah when courses like Law and Medicine tried to limit numbers of students into First Year. I tutored students in first year classes in English and they had enormous classes, hundreds all crammed into a lecture theatre and siting on the floor as there weren't enough seats.

And the Uni just set tough first year exams so that they cut the people who weren't up to it out at the end of the first year.

Cannot be arsed with the preachy posters who think a left-wing government would be all milk and honey. Fed up of it, tbh.

KatharinaRosalie · 08/06/2017 09:32

why are people talking about the climate? Implementing some of those policies does not actually move UK geographically further north.

user1471545174 · 08/06/2017 09:32

Please tell us where this lovely place is, OP, and how long it might stay that way with open borders?

I'm particularly interested in the women walking home safely at 3 am bit!

Run4Fun · 08/06/2017 09:32

you live in Denmark, don't you op?
No she lives in lala land. Grin

BastardGoDarkly · 08/06/2017 09:32

I don't know why everyone's so pissed off at this. I found it interesting too.

Holland?

chocolatine · 08/06/2017 09:33

I am astonished that the first reaction of so many posters was to say that this couldn't be a real country. I'm in France - we don't have all of this, but we have enough of it for me to accept that it probably exists somewhere.
You get a choice about what kind of society you want - most comparable European countries have much better public services than the UK. Don't vote Labour if you don't like their ideas, but it is ridiculous to argue that the frankly fairly modest changes they are proposing are impossible.

Coddiwomple · 08/06/2017 09:35

Why are people rude?
I would love to live in a country where the working week is 3 days and 4 days week-end, tax free, unlimited free health care, clean and safe streets I could go on.
Until I tell you in which country this really happens and proves it exists and works, it's all nonsense.

silkpyjamasallday · 08/06/2017 09:35

Where in the world is this magical place OP? I'll hop on a plane right now, if only to escape the political handwringing in this country

WorshipTheGourd · 08/06/2017 09:37

I'd like to know which country too.
I nearly married a Dane many years ago and wish I had (he was lovely, and I think I'd have preferred Denmark).

Come back OP, we are not all horrible..

LemonSalad · 08/06/2017 09:38

Why are people complaining about the weather in Scandinavia now? I really don't see how that is relevant in a discussion about public services and benefits.
Re people working less in other European countries Google UK productivity gap.