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To try and persuade you not to vote Tory.

375 replies

MissBax · 07/06/2017 14:21

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/05/31/the-nayler-report-nhs-privatisation-by-the-back-door/

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/naylor-report-tory-nhs-privatisation-healthcare-flog-off-conservatives-theresa-may-election-2017-a7766326.html

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-property-and-estates-naylor-review

I am totally and shamelessly begging people not to vote for Theresa May.
Amongst a host of other reasons (education, policing, housing, pay etc), she has confirmed she fully backs the selling off of the NHS.
Follow link above for the full Naylor Review.

OP posts:
metspengler · 08/06/2017 14:10

The "Labour \ Conservative Cycle" makes a great image, but it's not as important as this.

Momentum cronies having command of the police force and armed forces, and the NHS and its records. Not to mention what your kids get taught in school, public borrowing and the first refusal on your wages when their plan to "tax the rich" fails to add up to enough money as the IFS says it will.

littlehandcuffs · 08/06/2017 14:23

Just voted.

Another one for the Conservatives here, you can stick that in your pipe and smoke it : ) Not going to be bullied into changing my vote, ever!

BadTasteFlump · 08/06/2017 14:26

Has anybody else found themselves avoiding FB lately because of all the goady JC-loving posts on there?

It's really getting on my nobs.

Itsjustaphase2016 · 08/06/2017 14:29

So sick of this. As we are constantly told, women died for us to vote, we have the freedom to decide and choose for ourselves who vote for. We've had plenty of time to read for ourselves and decide who we would like to run the country. We are all
intelligent people and your views do not trump mine. So no, you do not have the right to tell me how to vote.

Emerald31 · 08/06/2017 14:32

You don't have to try and convince me, I've already voted Labour😀

Emerald31 · 08/06/2017 14:35

Although unfortunately I fully expect for the Tories to win. The southern counties, including my home town will carry it I think.

metspengler · 08/06/2017 14:35

Has anybody else found themselves avoiding FB lately because of all the goady JC-loving posts on there?

Yep. There is some really disgusting stuff going around on fb. What's sadder is seeing kids parrot the same hate, because adults around them are teaching them that political absolutism, extremism, is perfectly ok. It's just a matter of being the right kind of extremist and dehumanizing the right kind of people

BadTasteFlump · 08/06/2017 14:40

Some of the Labour-supporting posts on my newsfeed were so bad they had been removed by FB for being 'Offensive or in Breach of FaceBook Rules'.

Going on the nasty shit that FB are happy to leave for all to see, the mind boggles as to what they were!

NoLotteryWinYet · 08/06/2017 14:41

I've been avoiding fb - I'll be glad when this is over whatever the outcome - I'm fed up with seeing pictures of May in various monster poses, and all sorts of allegations that tories are anything bad that can be said about them.

InfiniteSheldon · 08/06/2017 14:59

I am avoiding FB too, today it's gone especially rabid

GladAllOver · 08/06/2017 15:18

Has anybody else found themselves avoiding FB lately because of all the goady JC-loving posts on there?

Just avoid FB altogether. Life is so much nicer without it :)

BillSykesDog · 08/06/2017 15:22

Yep. There's that one where it has a diagram for Tory voters to see if they're a 'selfish cunt' or a 'stupid cunt'.

They resemble 20s brownshirts. Why on earth they think that sort of abuse will make anybody want to support them I don't know.

Believeitornot · 08/06/2017 15:38

Has anybody else found themselves avoiding FB lately because of all the goady JC-loving posts on there

It's the opposite for me - ridiculous Tory loving posts and propaganda which is plainly untrue. Luckily I am well informed and don't believe this shit.

CrossWordSalad · 08/06/2017 15:39

They resemble 20s brownshirts. Why on earth they think that sort of abuse will make anybody want to support them I don't know.

I don't know what the thinking is. I wish someone could explain it. I think it has exactly the opposite affect. People who might have supported them see through and realise the contradictions between what they say and what they do (eg tolerant and inclusive v intolerant and divisive).

And can't people see where this sort of ramping up of hatred and dehumanising others leads?

ToryVoter · 08/06/2017 15:40

For those of you reciting the 'Tories defend the rich' argument, read this. It's worth it, I assure you.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7..
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

So, that's what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So the first four men were unaffected.

They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
The paying customers?

How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a pound out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man.

He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got £10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works.

The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.

Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

NoLotteryWinYet · 08/06/2017 15:45

I'm not sure FB quizzes or photos have any effect at all - they're preaching to the choir. I was persuaded by reading on the potential impact of Corbyn's policies, not by pictures doing the rounds on fb.

Mumsnet is useful for hearing other interesting points of view, fb is just people trying to browbeat each other.

CrossWordSalad · 08/06/2017 15:49

Brendan O'Neill sums up the lefty name-calling mindset:

twitter.com/JustALocalSerf/status/872559659898613767/photo/1

metspengler · 08/06/2017 15:49

They resemble 20s brownshirts. Why on earth they think that sort of abuse will make anybody want to support them I don't know.

Yep.

I have had thoughts of trading a few people in from my circle of fb friends this last year for people who don't post about what cunts half their friends list are 3 times a day. The bullying, silencing and hateful sentiment of the political sphere in the UK feels like we're in some kind of budding communist dictatorship. Being a normal conservative voter at the moment makes you feel like a Christian in Caligula's Rome or something.

I hope to fuck Corbyn's wannabe stazi don't get to be in charge of the state and the law any time soon.

smashyourglasses · 08/06/2017 15:52

I'd be to embarrassed to admit I'd voted tory.. just shameful Shock

NoLotteryWinYet · 08/06/2017 15:54

the thing that's curious is that when i see posters that are terrified about benefits cuts or who've had awful treatment under the tories resorting to really low name calling etc, I understand that it comes from a place of fear but of the 5 most vocal pro Corbyn people on my fb who've posted nasty stuff, none of them is in this category.

Justanotherlurker · 08/06/2017 15:55

I'd be to embarrassed to admit I'd voted tory.. just shameful

Its alright just have comfort that stormfront has endorsed your dear leader Grin

user1471439240 · 08/06/2017 15:58

Marxism doesn't work, it didn't then, it doesn't now.
However it is dressed up and deconstructed in the morning, the bile and envy of Momentum activists has turned voters away from Labour for a generation.
Well done comrades!

PortiaCastis · 08/06/2017 16:00

I've voted Labour

CrossWordSalad · 08/06/2017 16:03

I'd be to embarrassed to admit I'd voted tory.. just shameful

So smash I've asked this on other threads but no-one has answered my question. A statement like this doesn't make me feel embarrased of my political choices. It just makes me realise that the person who says it has no respect for me and my views. And as a lot of Labour supporters are saying much the same thing, it makes me realise that the feeling I started to have about a year ago that the left really doesn't respect and won't be a good government for people like me is correct. So I'm going to vote for a party who consider people like me as equal human beings and worthy of respect.

So what do you achieve by saying it?

Headofthehive55 · 08/06/2017 16:06

tory
Thanks for that! Ilustrates the tax system very well.