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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To try and persuade you not to vote Tory.

375 replies

MissBax · 07/06/2017 14:21

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/05/31/the-nayler-report-nhs-privatisation-by-the-back-door/

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/naylor-report-tory-nhs-privatisation-healthcare-flog-off-conservatives-theresa-may-election-2017-a7766326.html

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-property-and-estates-naylor-review

I am totally and shamelessly begging people not to vote for Theresa May.
Amongst a host of other reasons (education, policing, housing, pay etc), she has confirmed she fully backs the selling off of the NHS.
Follow link above for the full Naylor Review.

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MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:31

a bit like going into a maternity ward and saying 'aren't babies great' - they are great though aren't they? 👶 😉

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user1471517623 · 07/06/2017 19:31

atotalshambles people are passionate because there is finally the opportunity to vote for something different in our lifetime. The chance is there to become a more equal society but it's like turkeys voting for Christmas so no wonder tensions are running high. Why anyone wants to vote for a decimated NHS, cuts to the elderly, fox hunting and ivory being legalised, more money in offshore accounts, the elderly loosing vital winter fuel payments is beyond me.

And yes brexit is important but May will send that bafoon Boris. JC will send Keri Starmer QC and Barrister

coldcanary · 07/06/2017 19:33

I have to say I would trust Keir Starmer more than Boris or Davis when it comes to Brexit. its just a shame about the rest of them.

user1471517623 · 07/06/2017 19:34

BamBam well its more bloody likely voting for a lifelong pacifist with a peace prize than a Tory - surely you can see the odds!

OyWithThePoodles · 07/06/2017 19:34

I'm not convinced by you begging OP, but I AM convinced by the doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters, police officers and - today - former soldiers, who, AS THEIR PUBLIC DUTY, are begging us not to vote Tory. They can't ALL be politically motivated scaremongers.

I am a Green-leaning Labour voter anyway, I admit, but the testimonies of thousands of people working e.g. at the front line of the NHS should give everyone pause tomorrow, surely?

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:37

Oy - I am one of those working on the front line of the NHS!

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WicketWoo · 07/06/2017 19:40

I don't for a minute think the NHS will continue in its current form under either party but I do think we have a better chance of moving our economy (and growth/jobs etc) forwards with a Tory government. I don't agree with more power to the unions or nationalising our industries. However I do have a social conscience and am getting really pissed off with labour voters suggesting otherwise.

Phew that felt good - I have kept quiet throughout and really needed to get that out.

OyWithThePoodles · 07/06/2017 19:41

Sorry OP BlushDid the bad thing of just dipping into the thread! More power to you all! Wink

waitforitfdear · 07/06/2017 19:45

oy

Don't apologise love the op hasn't answered any questions

CrossWordSalad · 07/06/2017 19:46

The chance is there to become a more equal society but it's like turkeys voting for Christmas so no wonder tensions are running high.

LiviaDrusilla The inevitable turkeys have arrived. Can I be the first on this thread to mention Noam Chomsky? I think that's compulsory too.

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:47

Don't worry Oy - it does worry me when people who aren't involved in the NHS tell us what is best for the NHS.
I personally know nothing about teaching (apart from what ive read/heard in the media), but if the majority of teachers were telling that X party was best for our future education, I'd have to believe that.

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angelcakerocks · 07/06/2017 19:48

I've still got stephen hawking on my bingo card...

MissBax · 07/06/2017 19:49

waitforit - what questions exactly? All I've seen in sarcastic rhetoric.

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shinyredbus · 07/06/2017 19:54

YABVU. I love the Tories!

Have a Biscuit and a Wine.

Hth Smile.

ginsterloo · 07/06/2017 19:54

MissBax I also work in the NHS and the Naylor report is a good thing. To say they are selling off Trusts to private companies is both laughable and plain scaremongering. Our trust had over 200 sites, to bring all of them up to an acceptable standard infrastructure would have cost millions. We have got rid of a proportion without losing any services so that we can invest the money in staff and services and concentrate on core buildings.

waitforitfdear · 07/06/2017 19:56

I asked you who you are voting for and by the way I was a ward sister 1989 to late 90s and do bsnk work.

The NHS doesn't need more cash it needs top to bottom reform.

waitforitfdear · 07/06/2017 19:56

I asked you who you are voting for and by the way I was a ward sister 1989 to late 90s and do bsnk work.

The NHS doesn't need more cash it needs top to bottom reform.

barstooleconomics · 07/06/2017 19:59

Oh dear OP, do you actually know who Sir Robert Naylor is and what the Naylor Review sets out to achieve? Did you even read the Naylor Review before posting this? #embarrassing

CrossWordSalad · 07/06/2017 20:00

angelcake Grin

Bambamrubblesmum · 07/06/2017 20:02

Under Labour

1999 Kosovo (72 British personnel killed)
2000 Sierra Leone
2001 Invasion of Afghanistan (454 British personnel killed)
2003 Invasion of Iraq (178 British personnel killed during operation)

623 mmmmm ....still no.

Dandandandandandandan · 07/06/2017 20:10

Simple diagram here

To try and persuade you not to vote Tory.
SquidgeyMidgey · 07/06/2017 20:19

I'm likely to vote Conservative tomorrow though my social conscience as you call it was shoving me towards voting Green until I read of their plan for a 4 day week.

I'm not a true blue Tory, I've voted for Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems and Green in previous elections as I go on what I think is best at that time. I don't agree with everything the Conservatives do but I agree less with Corbyn's plan to tax the higher earners harder (didn't he say someone on 70k was rich even though he previously said his own salary of 130k+ didn't make him wealthy?) so that all working age benefits can be increased. Those who can work bloody well should. I'm pig sick of the few who can't be bothered looking at those who work for what they have and thinking they're entitled to it too because they want it.

I don't trust Corbyn with Brexit. I voted Remain but we have to move forward and get the best settlement we can.

I think the NHS is dying without 2 things. One is more investment (can't spend the same coin on health and other things) and the other is people taking some personal responsibility and not choosing an unhealthy lifestyle that increases costs on the NHS, and not going into A&E with a papercut.

I don't agree with cutting the foreign aid budget.

When the last Labour government poured money into schools not a whole lot actually got to the front line.

I think we as a country all need to work harder and smarter and stop telling everyone what we're damned well entitled to.

SquidgeyMidgey · 07/06/2017 20:20

And I would vote for David Miliband too.

Juicylucy1800 · 07/06/2017 20:30

I'm so so sick of people saying JC is a shambles, not electable etc. It's a load of rubbish , people have clearly been reading far too much media that is funded by right wing corporations/ millionaires e.g. Rupert Murdoch etc.

JC has been subjected to a terrible and relentless smear campaign by the vast majority of media outlets.

Broaden your horizons and read elsewhere.

Calyrical · 07/06/2017 20:33

I don't think half the Labour Party resigned in protest over Rupert murdoch to be fair.

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