To think people who would otherwise vote for corbyn may not because of Diane Abbott?

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Sorry if there's already a thread about her latest cringeworthy interview but I couldn't find one... here she was on sky new last night, clearly having failed to read the police report she was there to discuss:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3731086/shadow-home-secretary-diane-abbott-car-crash-interview-sky-police-security-london-bridge-attacks-terror/amp/

I like corbyn and what he stands for, but I can't give him my vote with these buffoons around him!

The fact is, people are not blind.

No they aren't. They see the terror in our midst.

It takes quite a lot of media training to be able to handle tv interviews. That's why Theresa May comes across as robotic - because she has had a lot of training and would have been taught to stick to certain lines when under pressure. The likes of David Cameron and George Osborne did the same - they were just that little bit smoother at it. But if you listen carefully, they did the same. Sound bites

Diane Abott fails because she hasn't had media training. I know I would be nervous as fuck under those conditions, so it's no bloody wonder that she cocks up time and time again.

Someone should have either removed her from the limelight (we've heard very little from rest of the Tory cabinet for example), or chucked her on an intensive course of media training.

Sadly, this didn't happen and now we have the dreadful situation where the shadow Home Secretary makes a complete tit of herself and will cost the Labour Party significant votes. She's not a stupid woman - she went to Cambridge for example.

I've always found her tv appearances jarring.

We are in a situation where we face an unprecedented level of terrorist threat. We have a prime minister, who as Home Secretary, cut police funding and numbers. Who is so stubborn, is highly unlikely to significantly increase funding unless it threatens the Tory party's chances of remaining in power. She wouldn't increase funding if it was the right thing to do.

So every day I get the train to work in London and worry. Worry because we don't have enough of a police presence, worry because the current police force are over stretched, worry because this will not change. Theresa May blames "the Internet". Sorry, but the internet is but a tool, not the cause. Take away the internet and this would still happen.

Has JC said he'd never work with anyone (seems unlikely)?

This comes across as an attempt to get rid of a few people www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-opposes-automatic-reselection-of-labour-mps-for-general-election-sources-claim_uk_58f638a7e4b0b9e9848ec795

Yes! There's no way I could vote for labour with that idiot woman there! She's a liability.

Sorry broken, my bad. I have the absolute rage today. I'm a carer for my young disabled daughter, my mother has early onset dementia and I have family who works in the NHS. I admit, I'm shitting myself about the future. No point in shouting at folk on mumsnet though. Sorry again.

She isn't a clever woman

That is not true. I remember her being first elected. She was bright, warm, funny, thoughtful and a breath of fresh idea.

I can't claim to know definitively what went so horribly wrong. . But I suspect "what happened" is being in power, in a safe seat, for far too long. In combination with being thrust into a position she is ill suited to as a direct result of Corbyn being unable to convince the bulk of his MPs of his leadership abilities and vision for the party.

So it's not fair to dump the blame on her for his (and Momentum's ?) failure to bring the party together. If that had been achieved, if his leadership, political philosophies and political intensions had been convincing to the majority of Labour's elected MPs ... Diane would not have had to take on a role she is clearly not suited to.

She and I are no longer on the same page politically, it's not 1987 anymore. I am finding the combination of the clear, persuasive arguments on Thomas Sowell versus the shrieking, vocal, tumblr inspired minority that is dominating the voice of the left is shifting me away from my political roots. But I am not going to re-write history. She is an intelligent woman and far from stupid. I think time in a specific environment and position have left her unable to let that aspect of her shine, and the result makes me cringe.

She should resign and run like hell, cos Labour don't deserve her if they are prepared to thrust her beyond her tolerances. I strongly suspect they are setting out to make her the bucket where they can dump the derision, set her up as the fall guy for all the "we didn't win" blame. If Portillo can re-emerge from political life as a likeable, thoughtful human being (even if I still bear something of a grudge) then so can she. Cos she was certainly all of the above when she first won her seat.

The post election (regardless of result) constant comparison with Kemi Badenoch is going to end up crucifying her, and I would hate to see the historic victory she created end up over shadowed and dimished by a drawn out, toe curlingly humiliating end.

I don't agree with her anymore. We've both shunted notably in our stances, in different directions. But I still have an affection for her, for who she was, and I don't think it is accurate, or fair, to paint her as what she is not when there are many factors at play, not all of which are within her control.

Remember ed miliband and his soundbites? Someone did a little video of the phrase that he kept using, rehashed in a different order every time!

The refusal to work with him seemed to me to be an orchestrated attempt to remove him. That failed. If Labour got in, would they all really sit back and let JC make a hash of running the country and ruin any chance of re-election?

You can bet your sweet life that they'll be champing at the bit for cabinet positions, including my own turncoat MP who stepped down before the last leadership vote. I'm still furious with him. But one individual won't change my mind about my principles.

I don't like Diane Abbott. I never have. I know she's a bright and ambitious woman and I can respect her for being a WOC who has reached the higher echelons of politics but I find her patronising and irritating.

However, she is not the Labour Party. If Labour were to win on Thursday (which, sadly, I don't think they will) she will not be Home Sec. She is clearly ill - her deterioration has been rapid and significant - and there will be a reshuffle of the front bench.

If you have decided not to vote for the Labour Party on Thursday simply because of Abbott then you are woefully misguided and fully deserve another 5 years of the Tories.

police numbers at lowest levels since the early 1980s

If he'd said when asked, "you know what I'll sack my old mate Diane and put Yvette Cooper in charge of the Home Office and while I'm at it Hilary Benn in the Foreign Office and Angela Eagle in the Treasury", I might have listened......but they were in the 172 that supported a vote of no confidence in JC.

But JC is the same person before or after the election. If he get voted in he will say he and his team has the mandate of the people, why should he goes back to work with the moderates? He may not think his team is incompetent at all.

It's like doing no work for an exam and blaming the exam board

No, it's not at all, because an interview is just that - not an exam or test of knowledge, which is how Murnaghan seemed to be treating it. Quizzing her on what is in a report, implying she hadn't read it, rather than asking her views on specific points. She made a very salient point querying why crash barriers have not been installed on bridges following the Westminster attack - but that's not in the headline is it. I refuse to swallow wholesale what Murdoch is selling, that's all. He has boasted the Downing St does what he says. Of course his news output is biased.

Clearly she didn't get what Murnaghan was hinting at, but my interpretation is that it was poor interviewing technique rather than lack of knowledge. She had to ask what he was referring to. When I ask my students questions that I know they know the answers to, but they don't give the right answer - I tend to blame how I've asked the question.

In any case, deciding the future of our NHS, police, schools etc on the performance of one person, who can easily be replaced, seems so ridiculously short sighted it would be laughable, were it not for the fact that seemingly intelligent people are openly admitting they are doing just that.

She can be fixed/replaced
They haven't got anyone else though. That's the problem right now - there just aren't any decent people available. And I can't see Corbyn letting her go either - partly through loyalty and partly through needing to have someone on his front line who actually supports him.

I agree with Vango and just posted similar on the other Diane abbot thread.

Eve if Labour don't get in (which I still think is likely), if they manage to do reasonably well, I think the other Labour MPs will reappraise their views of Corbyn based on his recent strong performances.

I know I have.

Remember ed miliband and his soundbites? Someone did a little video of the phrase that he kept using, rehashed in a different order every time!

That would be the media training. We judge politicians on how well they appear on tv, not how well they do the job.

And when they don't do well on tv, they get crucified. But we have no idea how good they will be at the job, just how good they are in front of the camera.

That's why Theresa May was not very visible during election campaigns until now when she has to. Because it's a vote for her

Corbyn cannot replace her as there is absolutely no one else in the Labour party that will work for him. If he wins the country is going to be run by literally the dregs of the party. God help us.

This.
The PLP voted 'no confidence' in JC and refuse to sit on his front bench. The clever money in the Labour party are sitting on their hands, waiting for JC to lose the election so they can oust him.

YANBU. I can''t bring myself to vote Labour after decades of doing so. And she's the reason

Me neither, it broke my bloody heart, I've never voted Tory before.

I also think this reflects incredibly bady on Corbyn. He's seeing the same press coverage and the same intewviews as the rest of us. His opinion is that she'd make a great Home Secretary. That calls into serious question his own judgement! WTF is the man thinking??

(Not a Conservative voter either)

MacarenaFerreiro yes, quite!

I haven't watched it because I can't bear to, but although I have never particularly liked Diane Abbott, I do remember her when she was clever, articulate and forceful. Her poor performance isn't to do with lack of media training - she's been appearing on the media since she first became an MP more than 30 years ago, and she presented that programme with Michael Portillo (can't remember what it's called).

Someone else has started a thread suggesting she's drunk. I don't think she's drunk but I do think she may be ill.

By the way, 63 really isn't that old! Plenty of politicians who are much older. Dennis Skinner for one.

I'm a labour supporter and she does worry me. Not nearly as much as Jeremy Hunt being in control of our health service though.

There is a whole personality cult around him.

The Tories tried to build a personality cult around Theresa May in response (look at their battle bus!) but it failed miserably because she hasn't got one.

It was an utter utter embarrassment and I don't think I've ever seen a interview like it.

Labour are unelectable on the basis of her alone.

I will vote Labour but I hope against hope that IF they can oust the Tories, Yvette Cooper will become HS.