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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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Mumoftu · 05/06/2017 19:43

Putting broccoli on the plate of a child who you know won't eat any vegetables is poor imo. It's not your job as a relative who is visited very occasionally to try and widen your nephews diet. Would you thank hosts for serving you up something that they knew repulsed you? A good host would ask what the people visiting them would like to eat.
And forcing hugs isn't just pointless - it's dangerous. Read any advice on avoiding child sexual abuse and it will advise you to never force your child to hug people. Insisting on hugs and kisses for family members just teaches children that if an adult requests bodily contact they have to agree to be polite even if it makes them uncomfortable. And considering most child abuse occurs within families that is a very unwise thing to teach. I wouldn't even make my kids hug and kiss me let alone anyone else.
So I think your db and sil did the right thing not forcing him to hug you when he didn't want to.

user1495025590 · 05/06/2017 20:17

He's a 9 or 10 year old boy who doesn't know you very well ( 6 hour round trip to visit).Of course he isn't going to want to visit, of course he is going to feel awkward and embarrassed.
I think he was doing well to hug his younger cousin.He cannot fail toy pick up on the reek of disapproval dripping from you.Most people have got that, even from the few lines you have I think the root of the problem is your brother's material success and standard of living compared to your family's

Lymmmummy · 05/06/2017 20:22

It sounds like the boy is a bit naughty and possibly spoilt and you have a fundamental disagreement on certain matters of parenting

It is a shame but there will be some sort of compromise to be found

EuroWin1 · 05/06/2017 20:24

Can't you use your amazing parenting skills to help this child?

Rather than banning him, invite him for a bootcamp weekend. With the shining example of your DC, I'm sure he'll be equally quirky and argumentative in no time at all.

Notonthestairs · 05/06/2017 20:33

So you live three hours away from your brother and want to ban him from bringing his son to your parents house? How is that going to work? Are you punishing your nephew or your brother?

HildaOg · 05/06/2017 20:58

The perfect 'quirky and argumentative' kids... I do wonder how other people would view them. My parents would similarly describe all their own as that (all brats) and my mother loves to complain about how the cousins are so inferior; they are too noisy, eat too much, she'd pick at all the tiny things they'd do wrong while ignoring our much worse behaviour. She's deluded. I do wonder if op is the same. The things she picks on with the nephew are so tiny and insignificant, she seems more jealous about the differences in income and is focusing on the nephew because of that... And then the description of her own kids... Perfectly argumentative - hmm...

CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 05/06/2017 21:08

You have a voice - if he is rude, bad mannered or offensive to anyone when under YOUR roof/company, then SPEAK UP and tell him off like you would your own children.

If your brother or sil take offence - be very blunt with them too.
The child is the way he is due to their lack of parenting/discipline - so hold them accountable.

certificateofauthenticity · 06/06/2017 07:51

I cannot believe how many people do not even bother to read the post properly before launching an attack on the author. Come on mumsnet people, you can do better than this. Trolling, name calling and personal attacks The child is rude, his parents refuse to discipline him at all. ( Note, not punish) it must be frustrating. Manners are important, showing respect to people is important. There presumably is a lot more to this than can be put in a short mumsnet post. My advice would be to speak ( yes, that's right, actual talking to real people) to the whole family, SIL, dB, Dn, grandparents and all involved and discuss your feelings. If you cannot get them to see your point, or if you cannot see it from theirs, then give them your house rules. Otherwise, live and let live..

VeryButchyRestingFace · 06/06/2017 08:12

My folks wouldn't dream of starting to eat until we're all sitting together - we wouldn't tuck in until they do - so that's what's behind the food getting cold.

This is the nuttiest part of the whole scenario, not the kid's behaviour. 😆

OP is so rule driven that she's prepared to stand on ceremony for a nine year old in a restaurant, letting her - and everyone else's - food get cold.

zzzzz · 06/06/2017 09:32

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certificateofauthenticity · 06/06/2017 10:25

Zzzzz. So either you are advising a 10 year old to tell his mother to fuck off or you did not read the thread properly. Classy. She did not ask him for a hug, his mother told him to hug his aunt. Lots of semi literate people here.

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livefornaps · 06/06/2017 11:03

You are way too over-invested in this, it's weird.

Tell you brother that from now on your families should just exchange jokey "secret Santa" gifts if the gift thing is bothering you.

Or get your perfect children to whittle him a toy out of wood.

I think he's got under your skin and now everyime you see him the slightest annoyance becomes your entire focus.

So what if he's a brat? Just leave him to it.

Like pp say he's probably picked up that these "chats" of yours are disengenious and that you're only waiting to be proved right - like "a-ha !! A monosyllabic answer- I knew it!!"

Just leave him alone

user1496745834 · 06/06/2017 11:50

I guess times change OP but quite honestly when I was growing up being a "quirky and argumentative" child would NOT have been seen as a good thing! On the other hand I wouldn't have been expected to sit and make polite small talk with the adults when visiting somewhere. Say hello yes then it was "well, you children run away and play now". No-one would have had a problem with a child sitting quietly and reading a book.

certificateofauthenticity · 06/06/2017 12:05

My point exactly zzzzz. You saying I didn't read your post properly, and went off on a tangent is what I meanSmile, not helpful is it? Why are there so many sad, angry people here? Brew

zzzzz · 06/06/2017 12:39

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certificateofauthenticity · 06/06/2017 13:05

Ok, you win zzzzz. I'm sorry. Have a nice day.

Mumoftu · 06/06/2017 13:18

Sitting and reading may be antisocial but surely better than listening to 'argumentative' kids.

Turquoise123 · 06/06/2017 17:35

If you don't see much of him then this is not a problem for you ? The child is only in year 4/5 - give him a break.

BigRedMama · 06/06/2017 17:48

His behaviour sounds pretty normal for a 5 year old to be honest. Ok, its not great but its not the end of the world is it? Not all kids are as perfect as yours.

Naicehamshop · 06/06/2017 17:50

With the best will in the world op, what has your dc getting into a "very good university" got to do with your nephew's behaviour? Confused

You must see that you have put people's backs up with that sort of comment...?!

ciderinsideher · 06/06/2017 17:56

I have a nephew exactly like this - spoiled to hell. Only child. Rich parents.

He's actually grown up to be a very nice young man. :)

So don't panic!

Booksandcrocheting · 06/06/2017 17:57

Presumably it's to show that as her eldest got into a very good university and her kids eat vegetables that she is an infinitely better parent than her brother.

Other than the supposed elderly parent hitting, this is all a bit of a storm in a teacup, OP.

brasty · 06/06/2017 18:00

We all sit and wait at the table before eating as well. That is not nutty behaviour, just polite. Because it is a social occasion. Not to wait, is like starting a film you have all agreed to watch, before everyone has sat down.

brasty · 06/06/2017 18:02

But Op you should know by now that criticising parenting of anyone you know, will result in being heavily criticised. Too many people feel defensive, and so rush in to have a go.