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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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MssGameandWatch · 05/06/2017 16:00

You do sound ever so pleased with yourself and your way of doing things OP.

YoloSwaggins · 05/06/2017 16:02

You sound bored OP.

You're sitting on Mumsnet.

We're all fucking bored....

Love51 · 05/06/2017 16:10

I once left a house I had visited around Xmas / new year, saying thanks for the books, and offering a review. My brother helpfully pointed out when we had left that this wasn't great manners. I had finished the books because a) they got me the young adult stuff their kids were into, whereas I was very bookish, a very fast reader, and read adult books because there wasn't much substance in sweet valley high. And b) I read a lot at that house because I shared a room with their girls, both of whom were fine individually, but wouldn't stop arguing. I found it so wearing I user to just read my book as a way of tuning out.
I was reasonably well brought up, and said thank you. I just couldn't cope with their kids dynamics. My brother shared with their only boy, so less being torn between them for him. Maybe you could ask your youngest to be responsible for making sure your nephew is ok at your house, and ask your kids to interact and make him welcome. Sibling groups can be tricky for outsiders.

Love51 · 05/06/2017 16:11

I bolded when I meant to italicise. Didn't preview. Sorry.

delilah245 · 05/06/2017 16:15

So it sounds like you SIL has in fact tried correcting his behavior... what did you expect her to do? He didn't give you a hug so should she have bent him over her knee in front of you? Sorry, I really don't get your point here. Sure he can act like a brat at times.. who cares?
You said "they didn't have time for tea"... maybe it's a good thing so you could spend less time with them haha. It sounds you are reading way too deeply into things IMO even if the child can be a brat! I know plenty of them... I ignore them and carry on as long as he's not verbally abusing you or hitting or breaking things... you are taking it way too personally. Some of us are blessed with easier kids than others, part of it is parenting and some of it is the kids own personality! My dcs are pretty well behaved, but they still have their moments! I'm just wondering if you have some type of resentment towards your brother and SIL that would have you feeling this way OP. Especially since you're considering telling them their child isn't welcome anymore.... that would very much damage you and your brothers relationship- I know it would damage mine if someone acted that way about my kids.

scampimom · 05/06/2017 16:17

He's not that bad and you hardly see him. Can't see a massive issue, really.

NotYoda · 05/06/2017 16:26

RE: asd

If he is their only child, they may not know how much of what you describe is odd. If the is their only child they have only had the experience of parenting him, and the way he is and the way they are is an interaction between a possibly difficult child and their parenting which may not been as 'sure' as your is.

You say they should tell you, but maybe they don't know, or if they do not know or suspect they may not want to share that.
I think that it's OK for you to find some of how he behaves unlikeable - that's human. But I think it doesn't impact on you very much.

You can choose not to take it personally. He is a child.

Ohyesiam · 05/06/2017 16:27

Refusing to interact with the people whose house you are in is rude, despite what pp s day.
I wouldn't take it personally, they have failed their child, and know it on some level. Rise above it as you don't often see them, if you worry about the impact on your kids talk to then about it. Ask how it makes them fell when he does x, and his patents do y , and what effect they think it will have on him, and people around him.

YoloSwaggins · 05/06/2017 16:29

Refusing to interact with the people whose house you are in is rude, despite what pp s day.

Exactly.

I went to a dinner party where a teenage girl had her headphones on when we were talking, and was on her phone for the entire dinner.

Did I care? Nah not really. Whatever. Not my kid.
Did I think it was rude? Of course.

NotYoda · 05/06/2017 16:32

... I'd also say that some kids are really astute at picking up discomfort in adults around them. Where they know people accept them they put on their best face, but judgment can make them awkward. One of my sons was like this when he was younger.

NotYoda · 05/06/2017 16:34

OTOH, there's a lot in your post that suggests they've been quite lax with discipline. Again, not his fault

Colacolaaddict · 05/06/2017 16:50

There are lots of reasons why his parents might not share their suspicions if they think he might have autism. My son is being assessed at the moment, and we haven't told my parents because we think they will scoff and dismiss. If you're in the habit of judging, you might well be the last people they'd confide in.

I could reframe virtually all of your OP in "suspicion of ASD" terms but it might be massively wide of the mark. My child uses particular textures to calm down and we will prioritise getting the right toy to him if he is stressed out, in a way that probably looks ridiculous to others, for an 8 year old. But it helps avoid a shutdown which you'd regard as even ruder. If the visit was a surprise to you, maybe it was to him too and he couldn't cope. My DS likes to read in the car and we used to have him lying on the floor kicking and screaming because he would not stop before the end of a chapter. Hellos and goodbyes, and hugs are particularly difficult for some people with autism. But then maybe my DS isn't autistic at all, just badly parented. Either way, if you were my SIL, you refusing to see us would not really achieve much, would it?

There will be children out there with autism whose parents don't share the diagnosis, choose not to get them assessed, can't get them assessed, are on the waiting list or simply think they are NT. But there are also a lot of kids who are not taught manners. My question to you is, do you actually need to know the reason? Can't you just crack on with being kind anyway, even if he is, in your eyes, an awful child with awful parents?

MorrisZapp · 05/06/2017 16:53

Ordering hugs is hopeless. My own DS will absolutely not hug anyone but me and dp (and even then very much on his own terms). I have a posse of nephews and if they stand still looking blank long enough for me to hug them I'm doing well. It really isn't a manners issue imo.

NotYoda · 05/06/2017 16:54

Cola

Yes

SuperPug · 05/06/2017 17:00

I think you've been too polite when you're out - why do you all have to wait, while your food is getting cold.
God, I hate the excuse of "it will dent his/her confidence"- nope, they're just bringing up a child who won't be able to get on with people and that isn't really his fault sadly.
It doesn't have to be destructive behaviour to be anti social. He's being allowed to call the shots.

AyeAmarok · 05/06/2017 17:12

OP, you're being ridiculous.

You hardly see him. It's really not that big a deal.

LastFirstEverything · 05/06/2017 17:25

OP, would you try to consider how intimidating it can be as an only child going into a house where everyone else is either paired up as couples (ie, you and your partner, his own parents) or is part of a sibling group?

I've seen my own (only child) DD be in this position many times, and she feels so on her own at times like this.

Then add in the atmosphere- Your nephew will have picked up on the fact that you find him unpleasant to be around.

I'm not denying that his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. But I think it would be bizarre and judgemental of you to ban him from your house. Having said that, as a nine year old, I certainly wouldn't want to go to see relatives who hated me and made this clear.

Because I would be willing to bet that all the things you find so awful about him (ie, he's spoilt, he doesn't eat like your family, doesn't act grateful or friendly), he WILL know you feel that way about him. It will make him feel shit. Hence his behaviour is all the worse.

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YouWouldntLetItLie · 05/06/2017 17:56

Oh, FGS, this isn't about your nephew's behaviour, it's about your DB and your SIL's behaviour. There's no point taking it out on your nephew, it's the way he's being brought up. It's like being furious at a puppy for peeing in the house - instead of furious with the owner for not training it better.

Either take it up with them, or learn to ignore it, but what is the point in obsessing away about his behavioural deficiencies if you either don't feel in a position to correct him, or don't want to?

MaidenMotherCrone · 05/06/2017 18:25

I think the issue here is money, your brother has plenty and you don't so you have used your supposedly perfect parenting as some sort of 'Im better than him' thing.

TooGood2BeFalse · 05/06/2017 18:32

You really don't come across well OP. Try and rewrite your original post again, without mentioning income, your superiority as a parent etc.

TooGood2BeFalse · 05/06/2017 18:35

'He just won't eat vegetables' OH MY GOD WHAT A DELINQUENT IN THE MAKING Grin

peachgreen · 05/06/2017 18:37

OP, you're getting a hard time because your post sounded a wee bit braggy - you're obviously (and rightly) proud of your children but that first paragraph probably wasn't necessary for the story and it's got people's backs up.

Your nephew sounds incredibly rude. I have no tolerance for rudeness either and I understand what you mean when you say you feel belittled - it shows a huge lack of respect to allow your child to treat someone like that, imo. But I don't think banning your nephew is the solution - it sounds like it would cause a huge drama for very little gain.

Personally at this point I'd be tempted to start speaking out directly: "Nephew, if you don't want to eat your broccoli, please just leave it on the side of your plate, there's no need to make a production about it." "Nephew, I don't need a hug goodbye if you don't want to give me one but it's polite to say goodbye and thank you for having me." That will probably get your brother and SIL's backs up, but I think by this stage you might be beyond caring!

Other people will say that's a terrible idea - and I find lots of other people are more laid back about manners and rudeness and tbh they're probably in the right! But I just can't stand it and I'm not sure I'd be able to let it go!

TooGood2BeFalse · 05/06/2017 19:02

LastFirstEverything great post.

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