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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

294 replies

SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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Judashascomeintosomemoney · 05/06/2017 13:16

They have every right not to discipline him. You however have every right not to have him in your home. Tell them why. Just like I did re my 'D'N after she spat at my youngest DD and kicked my dog. Just because you're related doesn't mean you have to engage if you don't want to.

waitforitfdear · 05/06/2017 13:16

Yes the quirky could be fucking annoying to other people. My kids are quirky when I feel tolerant and fucking annoying when I am not. Wink

Avoid being a smug parent it always bites you on the arse

HateSummer · 05/06/2017 13:16

God this has reminded me that my dc in year 4 doesn't bloody read ever. I wish she'd pick up a book and read like that Sad

In regards to your op, does it matter? You don't meet each other much so it shouldn't really affect you.

waitforitfdear · 05/06/2017 13:17

Spitting and kicking is hardly the sane as reading s book is it?

BunsBumpBlur · 05/06/2017 13:18

Erm, Judas this child isn't doing anything near as aggressive as spitting and kicking!

DioneTheDiabolist · 05/06/2017 13:19

He isn't in your house very much OP. Do you really want to piss off your family because a child under 10 did not behave optimally (but wasn't cruel or destructive) for the 20 minutes he was there?Confused

elevenclips · 05/06/2017 13:19

Op you do sound a bit holier than thou regarding your own dc.

I think that seeing as you don't see this boy very often and the behaviour doesn't impact you in any practical way, I'd leave things as they are. Why would you make everything even worse but saying they are unwelcome as they don't meet your behavioural standards?

If you see him so infrequently you cannot really be sure what's going on day to day. School will want him to adhere to some behavioural standards - he cannot have been allowed complete behavioural freedom his whole life.

BunsBumpBlur · 05/06/2017 13:19

X-post with wait

BadTasteFlump · 05/06/2017 13:19

Ha ha. I would be my arse your DC are not nearly as 'perfect' as you say they are.

ScarlettFreestone · 05/06/2017 13:20

This isn't to do with income.

We are fortunate to have a good income, the children are fortunate to have nice things and we eat out with them regularly.

None of this has influenced what we consider acceptable standards of behaviour and good manners.

Our children are extremely well behaved.

Their cousins are not.

The difference isn't income, the difference is the parents.

You don't "spoil" a child by buying them toys and taking them to nice restaurants.

You "spoil" then by not parenting them appropriately.

I do understand how upset it makes you though. I find it extremely distressing that my sibling's children are so difficult. We do our best to encourage a relationship between the cousins but every visit or day out ends (or begins) in them behaving atrociously.

I'd love to arrange a big family holiday, and it would please my DPs but neither DH, the DCs or I could put up with their behaviour for that long.

It's not the children's fault. They don't appear to know any better.

acquiescence · 05/06/2017 13:21

He doesn't sound that bad. You sound really obsessed with table manners. It's not the end of the world. We are not in the 1960s where children should sit silently at meal times. Toys and books at the table will often make for a more enjoyable experience for adults and children. You sound very intolerant.

PrivatePike · 05/06/2017 13:21

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Mothervulva · 05/06/2017 13:22

I think if you value your relationship with your brother you keep your opinions to yourself. The boy might well be 'spoilt' he could also have some specifics issues no one is yet aware of.
You can pay yourself firmly on the back once they've gone.

Loopytiles · 05/06/2017 13:24

YABU.

Spikeyball · 05/06/2017 13:25

If you think that is problem behaviour you haven't lived.

NellieBuff · 05/06/2017 13:25

I am another that thought he had beaten up you DCs, tried to beat you and your husband up, killed the cat, drank excessively and was on drugs. He reads his book instead of making polite conversation with people who clearly do not like him. Hardly a hanging offence but it sounds as if you have already made up your mind about this situation.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 05/06/2017 13:25

I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour

erm, he is 5 years old op! TAKE A STEP BACK HERE

Mumoftu · 05/06/2017 13:27

I think it's pretty bad manners not to find out what guests would like to eat before they come tbh. My kids like veg and have good diets but I know some of their friends don't so we will have pizza and chips when they come over.
Yes the child should have better manners than to be picking bits off and making faces but he is a child and you are the adult. And it's not like you host them often so it surely wouldn't hurt to make something he likes.

disastrousflapjack · 05/06/2017 13:27

It's not your nephew's fault that no boundaries are put in place to help him know what is acceptable and what isn't. Plus he's 4 which is very young. Four year olds are not generally renowned for their wonderful behaviour. They are prone to snatch, not share and not do as they are asked sometimes. It's a pity that he doesn't get more help in doing these things but there you go. I'd not create a rift with your brother and I'd not take it out on your nephew who knows no different.

Some children are far more amenable and appreciative than others. I had a real job with my DD when it came to co-operation and appreciation. It was a battle. Be kind even though it's hard and your DBs values are out of synch with yours. Life is too short.

Mumoftu · 05/06/2017 13:29

And if you were expecting them to force hugs etc when he left I think that's very wrong. Kids should know their body belongs to them and it's absolutely fine to decline hugs and kisses from adults.

WideHorizon · 05/06/2017 13:29

YANBU, in situations like this, with DCs so young it is not the child that you are cross with, it is the parents for their lack of effective discipline.

Lots of people will tell you that he's only 5 etc, which is true, but the parents are adults and should know better.

To use MN terminology, you don't have a nephew problem, you have a (D)B and (D)SIL problem.

murmuration · 05/06/2017 13:29

Woah, I was all ready to be on your side, but it seem like the child has behaved badly. He doesn't eat his food - that's his parent's issue, and really nothing to do with you. He's quiet and reads - geez, that sounds good! It does sound like his levels of politeness are lower than standard - mine and yours - but obviously not his parent's. Not much you can do about that, and he's not being outright rude (to which you could give him a sharp, "In this household, we say X"), he's just not expressing the levels of interaction you want.

Really not worth bothering over, in my mind.

Newmanwannabe · 05/06/2017 13:29

You don't see him very often, they may find him quite challenging but have not told you. Some children are harder to parent than others (I know as I have one). I don't think it's always the case of being a better parent it's just the child you get. I try very hard to keep boundaries with my difficult child, but I'm sure to the outsider I sometimes just look like a shit parent. Confused. Kindness goes a long way

WideHorizon · 05/06/2017 13:30

...I have a similar problem, so you do have my sympathy.

murmuration · 05/06/2017 13:30

hasn't behaved badly