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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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bumblebee61 · 06/06/2017 19:05

I feel for you. I have two nieces like this. My sister allows them to do and say whatever they feel like. No does not exist in her language. Her kids just run amok - harassing adults, throwing stuff around. One of them is incredibly picky with food and has to be made special meals. I can't; say anything as I have a difficult relationship with my sister and i know it would cause massive offence. I gave the youngest a present recently and she just said 'I've got that already' and turned her back. The thing is, my sister is always talking about how spoilt other children are. They aren't well off, but have moneyed relatives who give her children whatever they want. I don't enjoy their visits because i have to hide things that might get broken etc. I just don't understand it as we were not brought up like this ourselves. It seems to be 'children rule'. Her kids are nice kids, just think they can behave however they like.

Rowenag · 06/06/2017 19:08

I am quite offended by your post as he might be quirky too but in a different way to your kids. My daughter is very fussy and would not be able to eat anything that is put on her plate. She also puts lots of ketchup on her food. This is down to an eating disorder which she is recovering from called Selective Eating Disorder. She has had counselling for it and is getting better but is repulsed by lots of foods. She can also be a bit non communicative too sometimes and she has very specific needs. She has some anxieties too that might make her appear rude based on your criteria. She is still young and we are guiding her in social etiquette but we also accept her differences. She does sound quite similar to your nephew and I would be mortified if you were her aunt and had posted this. I think you need to open your mind and try seeing the world through her eyes as well as your own. There is no way he was intentionally belittling you at that age. The onus is on you as an adult to try and form a bond with him in my opinion.

38cody · 06/06/2017 19:09

Of that group, some of them buy their 12 year olds the latest iPhone as a way of compensating for their lack of emotional engagement. (Before I get yelled st, it's not everyone. But that does happen

How do you know that's why they bought that particular phone? If you want to buy your 12 yr old a phone, why get a cheap one if you can easily afford the latest iPhone? The money spend is relative to income and is no different to a family having half the disposable income buying a phone worth half as much.
Not all children of wealthy parents are spoiled and when they do get given expensive gifts who are you to say they are not appreciated?

Kleinzeit · 06/06/2017 19:17

He may or may not be spoiled but that's irrelevant because hitting his grandparents isn't normal behaviour. It's got nothing to do with sanctions, normal eight year olds don't need to be sanctioned so as not to hit their grandparents, they just don't do it. You are so focussed on him being rude, and being spoilt by his parents, and them being well off and you not, that you've missed the wood for the trees.

There could be all sorts of possible causes though given the other things you've said it wouldn't exactly be a surprise if it turned out to be autism. But whether it is autism or not there's surely something going on, something that is him, not them.

NotYoda · 06/06/2017 19:18

Hope the OP comes back. Lots for her to think about here

NoncommittalToSparkleMotion · 06/06/2017 19:52

His behaviour doesn't sound amazing but not enough to ban him from your house. Tbh, I'd just ignore him as he does you.

HoldBackTheRain · 06/06/2017 19:58

It's up to you OP but if you tell them you don't want to see them until they can be more polite, you could be waiting a long time. So you have to decide if you want to be estranged from your brother and his family - you might regret that

If you saw them regularly and your DN's behaviour rubbed off on your DC's then that's a different matter, but that's not the case here. And agree with the OP's re austism - my DS has aspergers and it took 7 years to get a diagnosis. Not everyone is stereotypical.

It's a shame because some of your first post did come across as a bit smug, hence the harsh responses. I think if you had worded it differently you would have got a different reaction.

Just really think before you act on this because if you upset DB you might not see them for a long time, and you might regret that.

HoldBackTheRain · 06/06/2017 19:59

Sorry - I meant other posters, not OP - which is you, of course!

NoPressureNoDiamonds · 06/06/2017 20:28

It sounds like you and your brother simply have different ways of parenting. I think you would be much happier if you just accept that difference and embrace his family as part of your own.

AlwaysChatting · 06/06/2017 20:31

With younger children, you have to talk to them, engage them, draw them in and get a level of trust with them so that they start interacting with you. If he lives 3 hours away, he's gonna treat your family like a complete stranger because he doesn't really know you due to lack of interaction. For example, you have to make efforts as parents to ensure that your children have a relationship with your kids - do you or they speak to him on the phone regularly? Skype each other? Keep in touch at all? How will the kid know "that's my really lovely aunty and uncle" if he hasn't had a chance to get to know you properly?

AlwaysChatting · 06/06/2017 20:32

**ensure that your children have a relationship with their cousin

Beetlebum101 · 06/06/2017 20:40

Agree. I have one very polite and receptive boy and another boy like a wild banshee. I have parented them in the same way!! It's not my fault lol!

MrsDarlingGirl · 06/06/2017 20:44

Sorry is this a wind up? The tone of your post sounds judgemental and even jealous! (All the references to the income differences) you seem smug and really Seem to think you are a parenting expert. Why not try to be more helpful?! Sometimes kids can be hard, probably even your own little angels. Don't make it harder by sneering at him/them and silently congratulating yourself on your own success stories!

Sounds like you have insecurities about money, and your nephews 'short comings' give you some comfort.

That is unless this is a wind up?? Daily Mail here we come......!

Mumoftu · 06/06/2017 20:49

Can't speak for anyone else but I don't think reactions on here are defensive. I think it's more that we all know someone who thinks the sun shines out of their kids backsides when it couldn't be further from the truth. Certain words - quirky, spirited etc are clearly parents putting their spin on characteristics that, literally, only a mother could love. If the ops kids were such charming company as she imagines it's unlikely the nephew would have preferred to read than interact with them. By the ops own admission her kids are argumentative. The nephew may not have fancied joining in with any sibling bickering.

Meeep · 06/06/2017 21:03

He's been impolite, but you clearly dislike him, and I imagine that could set him on edge in your company.
He's only a child.
You are being a very poor aunt imho.

poopoopoo · 06/06/2017 21:21

Well I think he is a child who is probably more perceptive than you think and intelligent. Sausage factory children would be dull. Manners are nice, but very robotic. Genuine interactions are much more worthwhile. I want my children to be genuine, kind and forgiving. Perhaps he will forgive you for judging him in this way.

Whoopwhoopwooo · 06/06/2017 21:43

Maybe he's a bit awkward and anti-social like my son. He's fine within the family environment but as soon as he's out of it he can't look people in the eye, will not speak. It looks rude where as actually it's just his way. I did tell him off initially but that didn't change the way he acted in fact he just got upset so I've just accepted that's the way he is. I don't think it has anything to do with being bought toys often or going out for meals.

Blueink · 06/06/2017 22:12

YABU, seeing your nephew through a judgemental filter and comparing him unfavourably to your own children. That's not very 'kind' of you, supposedly one of your values. He is a young child who travels a long way to come to see you. He's your only nephew but he's not experiencing any love from you when you are focussing on all the things he is doing wrong in your opinion. You seem to have done little to make him welcome or establish a relationship, YABU expecting him to hug you in this context. Stopping him visiting is an extreme reaction, look at what is really driving your unhappiness, this is a symptom not the source.

Sausagesandroses · 06/06/2017 22:17

I would be asking myself why is it that this child, who seems to be doing well at school and elsewhere seems to be struggling specifically in your family environment. From where I am sitting it doesn't sound particularly welcoming...

Touchmybum · 06/06/2017 22:43

I would say he hates these visits.

What is your relationship like with your brother and sister-in-law? I get the impression there is resentment/begrudgery there, which meant you were almost 'pre-destined' to dislike his child, never mind if he was the Angel Gabriel incarnate?

Surely to god you can tolerate a 10 year old for a few hours a year?!

Touchmybum · 06/06/2017 22:43

or 9 year old or whatever age he actually is!!

VeryButchyRestingFace · 06/06/2017 22:46

We all sit and wait at the table before eating as well. That is not nutty behaviour, just polite. Because it is a social occasion. Not to wait, is like starting a film you have all agreed to watch, before everyone has sat down.

It is certainly nutty if you're sitting there playing the burning martyr letting your food get cold whilst a ten year old messes around and his parents refuse to discipline him or bring him to the table.

Politeness in this scenario only works if all participants play ball. Otherwise, you're just getting a cold meal.

mummyof3kids · 06/06/2017 22:47

Do you ever visit them in their house OP? There are many things for you to consider. Firstly if they are visiting you and said nephew is in the car for 3 hours that is difficult and he is in unfamiliar surroundings with people he doesn't know that well. Secondly, he is an only child whereas you have 3 children - the dynamics are different. He is probably used to amusing himself and not socialising, hence the book scenario (I would be delighted if my 10 yr old son was that engrossed in a book!). Again, if in your house and eating your food he simply may not like your way of cooking and preparing food. You know your children and I am sure would. It deliberately serve up something they didn't like. Some people will physically become ill when faced with certain foods (e.g. My cousins daughter cannot eat anything 'lumpy' without vomiting). Some people detest touching or being touched, perhaps your nephew is like this. He may feel close enough to your youngest child to be able to have that kind of physical contact. It is wrong to force children to do anything like hugging if they are not comfortable with it. Instead of being so negative about everything your nephew does try and see it from his viewpoint. You are judging him on your standards and on your terms. He hasn't done anything terrible to warrant a complete ban, that just makes you sound totally unreasonable and upright. A little more understanding and tolerance in this world is sometimes required. Some of the stuff your nephew does sounds slightly annoying but there may be good reasons why. I say this as a mother of 3 (4 when you include my stepson) very different children

38cody · 06/06/2017 23:39

You don't like him and he senses it - why would he want to hug you?
And you are wildly jealous of their wealth and trying to convince yourself that it's the root of all evil and you wouldn't want it!
He may not be an ideal nephew but you are a poor aunt.

Darkstarrheart · 06/06/2017 23:54

What is your brother's relationship like with your children?

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