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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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Bettercallsaul1 · 05/06/2017 14:53

This reminded me of the excruciating visits we made, as a family, to relatives when I was a child. The adults we were visiting, who we hadn't seen for many months, were really only interested in speaking to my parents and, after a few exclamations on how much we had grown and an obligatory question or two about school, we were pretty much ignored for the rest of the visit. Forced to sit quietly and listen politely while the adults conversed about their jobs, holiday experiences, gardens, obscure friends I'd never heard of etc, all I thought about was when we could leave.

There is obviously no close, relaxed relationship between you and your children, and your nephew. He cannot be expected to enjoy listening to you and his parents talking about adult things. Likewise, there is no tradition of him disappearing to play with your children as they seem to have nothing in common. In the circumstances, I would have thought that occupying himself quietly with a book until the visit was over made perfect sense. He is only nine or ten years old - an age when lots of children are shy and not at ease socially - so I wouldn't hold the lack of conversation (or even greetings) against him.

I would stop focusing on your nephew and concentrate on maintaining your relationship with your brother and sister-in-law.

BunsBumpBlur · 05/06/2017 14:54

*I think the OP was trying to say that he's a spoilt child.

He is. And it's true that class and income do have something to do with it.*

Please can you enlighten me as to what you mean by "class", which class ruin their children unilaterally and plead what is the income threshold for certain child spoilage?

Gottagetmoving · 05/06/2017 14:55

You don't have to see your nephew that often so it's probably best to ignore his behaviour. It's not his fault, it's what his parents allow.
Lots of people parent like they do. It will probably come back to bite them on the bum so leave them to it.

DistanceCall · 05/06/2017 15:01

Please can you enlighten me as to what you mean by "class", which class ruin their children unilaterally and plead what is the income threshold for certain child spoilage?

I'm not saying that all children from a certain class are spoilt. What I meant is that, if the parents focus a lot on material aspects and are wealthy, they may feel that saying no to their child in any way is a way of depriving him, which may make them feel guilty. Or they may find it easier to give stuff to their child rather than actual time and attention. Or they may feel that giving stuff to their child is a way of showing their social status. Or a combination of all these.

HalfShellHero · 05/06/2017 15:04

You sound very judgemental i think you just dont like him i reckon.

Iloveanimals · 05/06/2017 15:05

Guessing he knows you don't like him OP. Kids pick up on these things.

JaniceBattersby · 05/06/2017 15:05

So imagine the reverse....

My son is generally a good boy but he struggles socially and can be a little bit scared of adults so doesn't always speak to them when they ask him questions.

He's really into reading and has a good imagination and sometimes at mealtimes he struggles to concentrate so we will give him a toy to keep him occupied when we are eating in company.

He is an only child and he gets lots of lovely gifts to play with and eats out often because it's nice that we have the cash to spoil him.

We don't see my sister very much because she seems quite judgemental of our parenting style and hasn't really made any effort to get to know our child. She seems to turn up her nose whenever our child makes some minor indiscretion. She thinks her children are perfect but I find them a little smug, although I've never said so to her. I think the whole family is upset with us because we have some money and they don't - although they claim not to be bothered about money.

Like all children, ours can have naughty moments but on the whole he's a good boy. He's very picky with food. We try to encourage him to eat lots of different things but when we're at my sister's house we just leave it because we're too embarrassed to have an argument over food in front of her as we know she'll judge us. We know eventually he'll probably eat more things so we figure it's not an argument worth having at the moment.

My sister is now threatening to not let my son in her house because she doesn't like him. AIBU?

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fannyanddick · 05/06/2017 15:07

He may be a bit indulged but the behaviour you describe is not that bad and you sound pretty judgmental and 'my way or the highway'. I have a member of family who is judgmental to bad behaviour of young children and I have to really bite my tongue when his reaction to their behaviour is rude itself. Glaring/shouting/mooding off/grumpiness. No idea how you react but hopefully in a grown up way, not overreacting to small slights like a toddler as my relative does.

CardinalCat · 05/06/2017 15:08

Oh dear, OP.

You seem completely whipped into a frenzy of self-righteousness about this one, and unfortunately you own inferiority complex and inverse snobbery shines through like a beacon

The repeated references to your respective incomes- CRINGE.

you have different parenting styles- get over it.

you rarely get to see them- suck it up. or else cull if it's really too much for you to bear to watch these 'well off' people take a soft approach with their DS.

Jux · 05/06/2017 15:11

So he's 8-ish, if he's in Y4.

Jux · 05/06/2017 15:13

And how can a primary aged kid make you feel belittled? That's just odd. You're giving him all the power.

MackerelOfFact · 05/06/2017 15:15

You say he's "about year 4 or 5 at school." Why not just give his age? Presumably as such a model aunt and parent, you know his DOB off the top of your head?

Of course your 'very good university'-aged child is going to be more polite, mature and well-behaved than a 10-year-old!

IMO a child who sits quietly and reads a book is the best kind of child to have round your house, but each to their own!

WomblingThree · 05/06/2017 15:17

YoloSwaggins for someone child-free you seem to have a lot of loud opinions on other people's parenting!

Do people really say "in our household we..." in those exact words? I'm giggling every time I think of it. I'm picturing it being said in a Margot Leadbetter type voice 🤣

SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 15:33

the issue is the parents not giving sanctions, not the child doing it once in the first place

Exactly that.

Hitting parents - this time last year. Putting food he didn't want on his placemat - last Christmas. So he was 8, nearly 9.

I don't sit around making cats bum faces - that's what I do to my eldest to wind her up.

I do try to talk to him - about school, cricket (which he is just getting interested in), the book he was reading, what Lego model he's making - but it's normally either a monosyllabic reply or nothing at all. I really don't think he's shy. He is capable of being quite chatty when he wants - the key phrase here is "When he wants". I don't expect him to never have an off-day.

We don't sit around talking over his head about "grown-up things". The visit before, we met on more neutral ground and it was better. This visit was unexpected, we offered tea which was refused because they "didn't have time", his mother told him to put his book down and he did but then picked it straight up when she wasn't looking. She told him to give me a hug - he walked past me on his tiptoes, head down, shoulders raised, total attention-seeking act. She told him he "doesn't have many aunties" and he just shrugged. So I just shrugged.

The family meals aren't at our house - we don't have space for the whole family around our table - they're at my parents' house. My folks wouldn't dream of starting to eat until we're all sitting together - we wouldn't tuck in until they do - so that's what's behind the food getting cold. Certainly our meals aren't eaten in stoney silence - is it not normal to be polite though? If my children didn't want to eat something it would be OK - but I'd ask them to push it to the side of the plate and leave it, not pull it out with a fuss and put it on the tablemat. On the whole, though, they'd probably eat it, as everyone else is doing the same so it's not going to kill them.

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GinGarden · 05/06/2017 15:37

I completely agree with you..'manners maketh man' and they are just making a rod for their own back.
I can't stand all this 'pathetic parenting' these daysd, everyone thinks kids have rights, well as far as I'm concerned the only right they have is to behave and have decent manners to help them get on in life.
They have the right to have parents who care enough to teach basic manners and polite behaviour that will get them further in life than any amount of A* .
No it is not unreasonable to expect the child to put the book down when you speak to him or for him to politely say goodbye and thank you at the end of his visit, these are basic manners that every child should know without thinking.

Well done you for raising such good mannered and considerate young people, I'm sorry that other posters on here feel that you are being smug, I do not. I just wish that more parents taught values, respect and morals to children instead of allowing the next generation to believe that they can have and do whatever they want when they want.
Unfortunately my brother's DC is very much the same so I really feel for you.

YoloSwaggins · 05/06/2017 15:39

OP, the people saying stuff like "you sound like a goady wanker" are probably being defensive because you might have described their child.

abilockhart · 05/06/2017 15:42

Do you really need a 10 year old to say or do anything to make you feel ok?

Just talk to your brother and ignore the little toad.

This. Grin

What a melodrama of an OP!

JigglyTuff · 05/06/2017 15:46

he walked past me on his tiptoes

it's normally either a monosyllabic reply or nothing at all.

Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

You could be describing my son. He has autism.

Spikeyball · 05/06/2017 15:47

No Yolo mines much worse. But there is a reason for that...

PuppyMonkey · 05/06/2017 15:49

One thing we can definitely all take from this thread is that very, very few people truly understand the "Year Four/ Year Five" terms for kids do they? Grin

user1494935220 · 05/06/2017 15:51

It seems you have issues with your brother and his way of bringing up his child. If they don't visit that often why is it such an issue that you want to ban a child from your home?! Why does eating out have anything to do with it? YABU

EveEve13 · 05/06/2017 15:56

Honestly, you are being very unreasonable and quite judgmental
He's not yelling at your or beating up your kids..
he's just being a kid.. different from your kids.. who does not know your well.. let it go.
Sounds like jealousy towards your brother and you are being judgmental about how you are the better parent, despite less money...

I would reflect on that actually, not banning a child from your house for - gasp - reading while there.

SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 15:58

JigglyTuff My colleague's daughter is autistic - and I have a friend with autistic children. I absolutely see how scary the world could be for them, and I don't know how I would cope in their parents' situation. I can only imagine autism as total sensory overload magnified a million times over and not being able to understand why.

I recognise that taken in isolation the behaviour you have highlighted could be indicative of him being on the autistic spectrum, and it's something we've wondered about. But surely, shouldn't his parents have raised concerns - as far as I'm aware he's doing OK at school and it's around his family (this includes my SIL's family) that he acts up.

If he was autistic, wouldn't it be in his parents' interests to explain it to us, instead of laughing at him when he's rude to the rest of the family?

My brother doesn't eat vegetables. So my nephew won't either.

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ChinaRose · 05/06/2017 16:00

You sound bored OP. Find something to do that doesn't involve creating drama over a 10 year old, it's not your concern. You also sound class obsessed and seem to think you are somehow superior in how you live your life and raise kids. The kid doesn't like you and is probably shy around you because of that. One day your kids may go off the rails and you will be sat there wondering where it all went wrong, foxus on them only.