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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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Cloudhopping · 06/06/2017 18:03

To be honest, he doesn't sound that bad. You sound very judgemental and I bet your nephew has picked up on the fact that you don't like him, which you clearly don't. I'm sorry op but your post comes across as smug and as though you think you're the bees knees when it comes to parenting- none of us are. You seem to take his behaviour personally. I think you need to be more tolerant.

roundaboutthetown · 06/06/2017 18:09

Well, they recognise there is a problem because they have said they need to sort out his childcare. They buy him lots of presents for no good reason, so there must be some guilt thing going on there - do they both work full time or feel some other need to "make it up" to him for something? Was he a much yearned for child and they feel guilty about lack of siblings?? Was his mother brought up this way? Do you think they would really want to get cross with him in front of you, the patronising paragon of virtue with the three perfect children, when there is a risk he would have an embarrassing meltdown or tantrum in front of you?

Tbh, you seem very focused on the disparity in wealth between your two families and intent on punishing them for it by looking down on them and telling them off for being inadequate. Have a bit more tolerance and compassion. That said, no thank yous for presents would annoy me a bit, but virtually nobody seems to do these any more - my children are the only children I know who write thank you letters and parents don't seem to bother to reply for their children, either - so you can't be too harsh on them for that.

lisahpost · 06/06/2017 18:10

If you are hurt at belittled by a five year old I think you need to figure out why cos that's not normal !

Also the kid might be a bit indulged but isn't being violent or destructive and honestly what is with your eating out issue .

We eat out four odd days a week because I can't be bothered to cook and my kids aren't brats . Income has nothing to do with it either .

And seriously referring to your kids as good university quirky blahblahblah is nauseating

brasty · 06/06/2017 18:11

He is not a five year old, he is year 5

GloriaGilbert · 06/06/2017 18:15

You sound terribly smug, and I'd bet your brother has a completely different version of events.

NoLoveofMine · 06/06/2017 18:16

I'm surprised anyone's defending the OP's nephew's behaviour. If I'd behaved like that towards anyone at that age, let alone family, my parents would have been incandescent with rage. They used to be irked enough if I didn't offer to help clear the plates away enough if at someone's house for a meal let alone this behaviour. Extremely rude at any age, let alone 9/10 years old.

Rabblemum · 06/06/2017 18:16

Kids get vibes off people and are victims/products of their environment. You don't like him, so the child doesn't like you, he probably feels uncomfortable so plays up more. Maybe go on long walks where he can run free and like a naughty dog he'll be too tired to play up much. Lower your standards, have a picnic so he can't show you up and he can run around as soon as he's eaten. Catch this child being good, or funny or interesting, make an effort in seeing the good in this kid and he'll change.

Are you sure your kids are as good as you say they are? Are you looking at them through a lens, just remember good kids sometimes rebel late and spoilt kids take longer to grow up, the tables may turn or your kids may have secrets. My daughter was perceived as a "good girl" but she's also a good liar, as parents you need to be aware of that.

Oakmaiden · 06/06/2017 18:19

Irritating? Yes.

Rude? Yes.

Worthy of being banned from occasional visits to FAMILY? Not unless you really don't like the rest of your family and never want to see any of them again.

deadringer · 06/06/2017 18:21

He sounds spoilt and rude from your description but so what, he isn't moving in with you is he? The world is full of kids just like that, not your circus not your monkey. I think you sound a bit jealous of the fact that your brother can afford to lavish gifts and meals out on his ds, and very smug at how well your kids have turned out. Yabu

NoLoveofMine · 06/06/2017 18:24

I can't see how the OP sounds jealous or smug. She's simply stating facts. There's nothing to be jealous about anyway; I don't think it's a good thing to buy a child presents for no reason simply because you can afford them.

falange · 06/06/2017 18:27

I wouldn't not have him in the house. I'd just totally ignore him and any of his behaviour. This includes starting to eat in restaurants when his idiot parents get up to look for a toy for him. Their problem. Not yours.

MaisyPops · 06/06/2017 18:28

He sounds spoiled and over indulged, and yes, I think them having more money does come into it.

When I've worked in schools in more affluent areas there's a certain group of parents who are money rich and time poor. Of that group, some of them buy their 12 year olds the latest iPhone as a way of compensating for their lack of emotional engagement. (Before I get yelled st, it's not everyone. But that does happen)

So EE have a primary aged child who is used to calling th shots and getting his way. At some point the world will inform him he's nothing special and the world won't cater to him.

However, your reaction to him seems over the top and there's no way I'd ban a child (however much their parents have over indulged them) from family visits unless my house was being damaged or my children were being hurt.

sima74 · 06/06/2017 18:30

How do you know he doesn't have SN?

MaroonPencil · 06/06/2017 18:30

I don't really see how OPs daughter being at a very good university is at all relevant to the behaviour of her nephew. I would also love to know how a child can be both argumentative and polite.

Writermom22 · 06/06/2017 18:32

Just ignore him right back. It's not like you see him all the time or even have to look after him. So when he is visiting with his parents, just ignore him right back. Trust me when I say his parents will be embarrassed enough without you moaning about him. Just think, they know their plans for bringing up a perfecting balanced and confident child went out of the window long ago, and probably feel shit about it, and chastising the child in front of you will only be like them admitting defeat. So, please don't let it both you, just ignore the kid, say hello, and goodbye, but leave it at that and just concentrate on being nice with your brother and sister in law. Xx

waitforitfdear · 06/06/2017 18:34

No not getting your quirky kids.

Thinking back if one of my lads at that age has sat quietly reading a book I would have thought they were ill.

Writermom22 · 06/06/2017 18:36

Maisypops I so hear you. I've worked in schools in affluent areas (the road by the school was full of houses owned by doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc) and the school was full of kids with the latest clothes and gadgets. I mean, who buys their six year old the latest iPhone?

Spikeyball · 06/06/2017 18:37

Whether or not your child gets into a very good university tells you how good a parent you are. I thought everyone knew that.

NoLoveofMine · 06/06/2017 18:40

Writermom22 though I agree with your final point, your list encompasses my parents' professions and they'd never buy me anything as a present away from Christmas or my birthday. If I want something like that I have to save up for it; I'm not rare amongst my friends either. Of course there are some (possibly many) spoilt children out there but many parents who may have the means to spoil their children thankfully choose not to (even if I'd rather this had been different at times in the past).

StiffyByng · 06/06/2017 18:47

OP, I'm not into internet diagnoses.

BUT I just wanted to pick up on your post. You say he can't have SEN because he's doing OK at school and your brother and wife haven't said anything. Social communication issues, including ASD, can be really hard to get diagnosed, especially with the ferocious gatekeeping that goes on now. A child can do 'fine' at school. Some of the things you describe can be red flags for sensory and/or communication disorders. Plenty of parents of children with this sort of thing can worry and worry about them, without being able to get any sort of recognition from school or HCP.

He could just be spoilt of course. Although that's not his fault, and he doesn't sound bad enough to ban from the house at his age, but it makes him hard work. I still think you sound a bit over the top about it all.

VestalVirgin · 06/06/2017 18:57

I was prepared to read about a little horror who took apart half your house at his latest visit.

But apparently, despite his parents efforts to spoil him as much as possible, the worst thing your nephew does is not talk to you, being ungrateful for gifts and reading books while visiting.

When I compare that to my sexist and homophobic uncle, who still gets invited ... you seem to be less tolerant of problematic relatives than most people.

Just ignore him.

Aurora87 · 06/06/2017 18:59

Children should not be obliged to hug or kiss anyone! Simple as.

Honestly from your description it sounds as though you are mightily smug and intolerant and that this child may have underlying problems. Perhaps he is on the spectrum.

chatty1 · 06/06/2017 19:02

It sounds like you haven't bonded well as a family. He sounds lonely, to come to his antie's house and not feeling at home despite 3 cousins that could play with him. If I was his antie i would teach my children to be kind to his cousin and try harder but if he wanted to read let him be. I would praise him for reading and ask him about the book. Basic manners too! 😉

Twillow · 06/06/2017 19:02

We've had heaps of this stuff. Once when we were all out together my nephew was taken into a toy shop as he was having a paddy and bought a toy while my child was left to watch. My sister occasionally hints that she is aware her children are special little snowflakes, but mostly bigs them up big time at the same time ignoring or dismissing the achievements and accomplishments of anyone else's children!
The cousins all get on better now but it has been very trying at times. You can challenge it, but do have to accept that their parenting decisions are theirs alone really.

38cody · 06/06/2017 19:03

You sound like a bloody nightmare with your perfect DC and co start judgement. He's not your problem. Cause a big family rift if you must but as you I frequently see them I really can't see the point.

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