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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

OP posts:
tessiebear4 · 05/06/2017 13:30

"Quirky and argumentative" sounds like a rose-tinted view of "entitled and rude". It can work both ways, you see....

zen1 · 05/06/2017 13:31

You could have highlighted the aspects of your DN's behaviour that irritate you without the preceding paragraph contrasting how brilliantly behaved and mature your own DC are.

ScarlettFreestone · 05/06/2017 13:31

I forgot to say of course you shouldn't ban them from your house - unless you want to permanently lose your relationship with your DB forever.

And I'm surprised you addressed the behaviour with your brother. IME parents are not interested in critiques of their parenting skills.

My rule is that I will directly deal with any child whose behaviour is unacceptable in my house or who is hurting my DC but otherwise quietly stand back mortified and leave it to the parents to deal with.

LittleWingSoul · 05/06/2017 13:31

Think the nephew in the op is in YEAR 4 or 5, not age 4 or 5 - not that it makes a huge amount of difference.

And FWIW OP, I don't think my children are fantastically behaved and I'll be the first to admit that. You are lucky if you have faultless children! Have some empathy.

WideHorizon · 05/06/2017 13:32

I don't think it's always the case of being a better parent it's just the child you get

Yes, a lot of people believe this to be true. There are also a lot of people who think it nonsense.

I think it a mix of the two tbh, but it is nearly always the parents of a badly behaved child who think it 100% true.

ArchieStar · 05/06/2017 13:32

And if you were expecting them to force hugs etc when he left I think that's very wrong. Kids should know their body belongs to them and it's absolutely fine to decline hugs and kisses from adults.

This.

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 05/06/2017 13:32

Pahaha?

No seriously, come on! You felt belttled by him?!

Honestly, you are being incredibly precious ott, judgemental and trying to make yourself out as your version of perfect. Refusing to have him in your house because he read his book and didn't talk to you, personally, for 20 minutes is like a child throwing a tantrum because little Lizzy went to play with someone else and clearly can't be her best friend anymore.

Just how dare someone eat out without it being a celebration Hmm

Nacknick · 05/06/2017 13:32

Thought he was year 4 or 5, not 4 or 5 years old?

Lunde · 05/06/2017 13:32

Okaaaay - so your children are quirky, argumentative, clever and funny and DN is a brat?

Perhaps your DB also finds "quirky and argumentative" children bratty but chooses not to say anything.

You obviously feel very defensive of the differences between the 2 families and it is clear that you dislike your nephew a lot - do not doubt that he picks up on the situation and knows of your feelings. Why would he want to make chit chat with relatives that are so judgmental? Why would you feel "belittled" by an 8-9 year old who quietly reads his book during a rare 20 minute visit? It seems that you take him very personally which seems strange for an adult.

There may be something else going on here that your DB does not want to tell you about because of your attitude. For example I didn't tell my mother that DD was undergoing testing for ASD and ADHD because she was so judgmental.

RandomDent · 05/06/2017 13:32

I'm waiting for the massive drip feed. About how he regularly draws on walls and kicks cats (thank you FoxesSitOnBoxes ) :o

maddiemookins16mum · 05/06/2017 13:34

Ignore the "good for you" posters Op. He sounds very hard work with everything revolving around him which sounds frustrating. Distance yourself (to an extent) and enjoy your own kids (who sound lovely 😀).
You may find he turns into a charming teen/adult in the long run.

waitforitfdear · 05/06/2017 13:34

To be honest you sound a bit jealous of their finances or why mention them. Income has absolutlry no bearing on good or bad parenting. None at all.

And if a 5 year old can hurt and belittle you you heres a box of grips. Take one

delilah245 · 05/06/2017 13:34

It sounds like you are being a bit unreasonable. Yes, their child may act a spoiled/entitled at times and you may not like how they deal with the situations all the time, but I think that can be said about most other people that have kids... including you most likely (we never see our own kids as other people do). Everyone parents a bit differently. Him not saying bye to you or putting his book down...? If his parents would have yelled at him and forced him to say bye and give hugs right in front of you, wouldn't that be even more uncomfortable for you?? I think some people would rather discipline out of sight from others... so if your brother seemed upset it sounds like he most likely drove away and had a chat with him about it.

You sound a bit harsh about your brother's parenting.. all kids can be jerks at times. I know my kid can be straight rude, even though we discipline her when she is. when we are with other people, especially out in public the most I can do is tell her "No, we don't act like that" and Sorry to the other parents.

I have friends who don't seem to discipline their children and they can be wild as ever, but I would never tell them I didn't want them over because of them... especially if they weren't breaking or damaging my things. Instead I usually try to find a common ground to meet like a park or fun activity. That way our arrangement isn't sitting at a table with rowdy kids, which can be annoying even with my own kid who is very active and wild at times.

SavoyCabbage · 05/06/2017 13:35

Perhaps he can tell you don't like him. You are very disapproving.

5foot5 · 05/06/2017 13:35

Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people.

Whereas those people who are fairly comfortably off presumably don't try to do anything for their children and tell them it's OK to sit around on their arse and be nasty to people! Hmm

From what you say the parenting style of your brother and his wife does sound to be wanting and their son rather a trying child. However, you do your argument no favours by your holier-than-thou implication that children with fewer material things will be nicer for it.

Also you would be over-reacting to "ban" him from your house on just the incidents you describe.

BunsBumpBlur · 05/06/2017 13:36

Fuck, now that I think about it, one of my DSs was particularly rambunctious at 3 to 4 years old, I would have been positively delighted had he sat and read a book and wouldn't have given a fuck if he said anything. Sitting stilll and reading for 20 minutes would have been like winning the lottery back then.

He's a studious and responsible teen now. It seems that all those meals out didn't ruin him after all. But what a risk we took - playing fast and loose with his future at Pizza Express. Whew. So glad it all worked out in spite of our ignorance about the vice of eating out.

MadisonMontgomery · 05/06/2017 13:36

TBH if I knew one of my aunts hated me I'd probably rather read a book and ignore her. Yes of course you are entitled to say that you don't want your nephew in your house, but don't expect any of your family to actually like you anymore.

5foot5 · 05/06/2017 13:36

waitforitdear The child is not 5. He is in year 4 or 5 so about 9 / 10.

Apart from that I agree with you.

missmoz · 05/06/2017 13:38

You sound very sanctimonious.

I distinctly remember being 10 years old and reading at family and family friends house. Why? Probably because I found them boring or didn't have much to say to them or was shy. It's not really the end of the world is it?

Just carry on socialising with your brother and quirky children and leave him be. Hopefully he'll grow out of this phase, until then it's you DB's problem.

Other posters he's in year 5, so he's 10 not 5.

Hissy · 05/06/2017 13:39

AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

here, let me correct that title for you:

AIBU to dislike my nephew 's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

Badbadbunny · 05/06/2017 13:39

You can choose your friends but can't choose your family!

No point making a big deal out of a family member who behaves in a way that isn't the "ideal" way you'd expect, as seen in other families or in "feel good" tv programmes.

Unless you live near them and see a lot of them, then it's entirely reasonable for a relative, especially a young one, to be disengaged from you and your children. You can't force them to be friendly or loving to a virtual stranger.

Also, people have different personalities. I've got relatives who are very "touchy feely" and are all over me like a rash when I see them every few years, greeting me like their best friend, and other relatives living a lot closer who I see a lot of who come across as "cold" from an emotional point of view.

I think it's the worst thing in the world to have expectations of behaviour and then be annoyed when expectations don't tally with the reality.

My mother in law is the world's worst for whingeing about this kind of thing. The other week she was moaning on about her grand-daughter who stayed sat in the car when mother went it for a natter. Crime of the century that the daughter preferred to stay in the car, on her phone on facebook or whatever and talking to her boyfriend, and listening to music, rather than listening to her mother and grandmother gossipping about nothing in particular!

You just have to learn to go with the flow. I don't see a problem in someone being a bit distant or not properly engaging. You can't force it.

YoloSwaggins · 05/06/2017 13:39

Why's everyone having a go at the OP.....

...the kid sounds like a fucking nightmare.

Just because someone is in your family, you don't have to like them. Don't have him round if you don't want to. Your house, your rules.

Mumoftu · 05/06/2017 13:40

Maybe you could have instigated some chat with the child yourself op. Maybe you could have asked what school year he's in/how old he is since you don't seem to know that about your own nephew? Showing an interest in others is very polite y'know. Would have been great for you to model that for your kids, not that they need it obviously Grin

alltalknobaby · 05/06/2017 13:41

With a sister / aunt like you, who needs enemies? Confused

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 05/06/2017 13:42

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill! He probably knows you don't like him.