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AIBU to dislike my nephew's behaviour so much that I don't want him in our house?

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SewingMum46 · 05/06/2017 12:47

I have one brother who lives about three hours drive away and consequently we don't see much of him, his wife or their son (my only nephew). He has a high-pressure and highly paid job in comparison to my husband and I. We have three children, the youngest of whom is a little older than my nephew. Not being particularly well off, we have always tried to do the best we could for our children and encouraged them to work hard and be nice to people. They have all done well at school (eldest is now at a very good university) and although I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered, they really are mature, polite and well-behaved. They are also quirky, argumentative, clever and funny. We don't have much disposable income and they have often had very simple gifts for birthdays and Christmas - and they've never either asked for much or sulked when they got something that didn't cost very much. They have always been taught to eat and appreciate what is put in front of them at mealtimes and to be polite - basic table manners, being sociable, staying at the table until everyone has finished eating etc.

In contrast, my nephew, who is in about year 4 or 5 at school, has been indulged since he was a baby. Toys at the table at every meal, and released into the wild to run around in restaurants since he was a toddler. He won't eat what is put in front of him and his parents will leave the table as a meal is served to find his favourite toy - meaning we all sit waiting out of politeness while the charade goes on and our food goes cold. Anything he doesn't like gets picked off his plate whilst he pulls a face and puts it on the placemat next to his plate. He barely speaks to us and will turn up his nose at the gifts we have given him for Christmas and birthdays - hardly surprising as his parents have been conditioned not to pass a toyshop without buying him something, and he's frequently taken out to eat whilst for us eating out is a special treat for a big achievement. Much of his diet seems to consist of sweet stuff or junk food surrounded by pools of ketchup, and he just won't eat vegetables.

When he was very young I was told that his parents didn't intend to discipline him "in case it dents his confidence". On their last visit they literally popped in on their way elsewhere and only stayed for about 20 minutes. My nephew, despite being asked more than once, refused to put down the book he was carrying and did not make any effort at all to engage with us. He was asked to say goodbye to us but walked straight past me reading his book and shaking his head. He consented to go back and hug my youngest child but ignored me, my husband and his other cousin. His parents just made disappointed noises but didn't actually tell him off. I was very hurt and felt completely belittled by his behaviour - but more by his parents not telling him it was unacceptable, taking the book off him and telling him to be polite to his family.

I've tried explaining to my brother how upset I am at the way he behaves - he's just plain rude and there is never any comeback from his parents, in fact they often laugh at his behaviour. I'm told that they are "aware of a problem" and "actively trying to find better childcare to sort out his behaviour" - but surely it's not just me that thinks they need to sort it out themselves as his parents and actually act when he behaves badly instead of laughing it off? I have been taking this for almost a decade now - would it be unreasonable of me to say I just don't want to see them until they all act a little more politely towards us?

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Mumoftu · 05/06/2017 14:22

I have an idea why YouWouldntLetItLie but unfortunately forum rules don't allow me to say.....

DotForShort · 05/06/2017 14:24

Yet another OP that looks as though it was written by an unreliable narrator. I think the truest statement is probably, "I know everyone who posts this kind of thread says their own children are perfect and well-mannered." I very much wonder how your brother would describe your "quirky, argumentative" children. Would he also think they are as clever and funny as you do?

Even if everything you have written is 100% accurate, the child sounds indulged and not very mannerly but hardly the devil incarnate. Honestly, I expected to read about violence and destruction, not a 9-year-old who was engrossed in his book. As PPs have said, it's patently obvious that you dislike this child so he probably reacts to that. On the off chance that you are actually looking for advice, I would say that banning him from your house would be a massive overreaction. By your own account, you see him rarely anyway.

arbrighton · 05/06/2017 14:24

I honestly don't get why you would mention a child leaving bits of food on his placemat as evidence of his ban-worthy behaviour in an opening post and omit the fact that he's hit his grandparents. confused

^^ This

Nothing you described in OP was that bad, and people pointed that out to you so suddenly you can describe all these behaviours that people came on to say they were expecting.

But seriously for a few times a year, suck it up

Goldmandra · 05/06/2017 14:24

My daughter has autism.

She sometimes finds it hard to make eye contact and talk to people when she is feeling anxious.

She has been through times where she became distressed if foods she couldn't stomach were put on her plate. Insisting that they stayed there would make matters worse. With support and reassurance, she is now over that.

She doesn't like presents, especially if they are wrapped and she doesn't know what's in them. The pressure makes her anxiety climb and she has no idea what to say to the people who gave them to her. We now buy her things whens he asks for them and she is there to choose, rather than on special occasions with lots of hype.

When her anxiety is high or she is eating food prepared by someone else, she uses ketchup to help it feel more manageable.

She finds saying goodbye very difficult and, if she's having a bad day and can't say it, I apologise on her behalf but I will only explain if the person I'm talking to is likely to be understanding and not judgemental.

We went to a friend's house for a BBQ last week. My DD couldn't eat any of the food, didn't want to join in with any of the play and sat by my side looking at her phone and quietly waiting until she could cope no more and then she texted me asking for us to leave. Luckily my friends are understanding and accepted that she was just having a difficult day.

I don't punish my daughter for not always being able to fit within social norms.

His parents have said that they are aware that there is a problem. Maybe, if you could be a little less judgemental, they might feel able to open up to you and you might find that something similar is going on for your DN.

Mumoftu · 05/06/2017 14:24

Lets just say it's pretty common for the op to come back with a completely different scenario when they don't like the replies they got the first time around.

BunsBumpBlur · 05/06/2017 14:25

Mumoftu yep.

FineAsWeAre · 05/06/2017 14:26

How do you not know how old your nephew is?!
As a child I was very shy/ socially awkward and would generally sit and read/ draw/ play on the computer when visiting family as I struggled to make conversation. I was also a very fussy eater. Hasn't affected me in the slightest. My DS is very sociable most of the time but the other day he chose to spend half an hour colouring whilst we had family visiting. He's a kid so I don't care. Until about a year ago my stepbrother never lifted his eyes from his phone screen or xbox when we visited and barely said 2 words to us. Again, he's a kid so I don't care.
As others have said, it's not as though he's being destructive or aggressive, just doesn't fit in with your ideals of good manners/behaviour. You barely see them so I'm sure you can cope occasionally. OP YABU.

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Xmasbaby11 · 05/06/2017 14:30

You sound judgemental and smug. He's your nephew and you don't see him very often. Just try to love him and accept him. You don't see him often enough to have any impact on his behaviour so it's best to be tolerant as much as you can.

I'm not saying I agree with your brother's parenting, but he may not agree with yours either, and it doesn't sound like discussions are going to change your mind.

la20017 · 05/06/2017 14:34

I must be old fashioned, as I think he is rude. He is in your house, he should at least say goodbye and thank you. And he is not young he is 10yrs, old enough to have some manners. But he is your brother's child and it is up to him how he parents. I would just pretend to be busy every time they want to meet up, especially when he hits the teenage years!!! Oh and just buy gift vouchers, no need to worry if he likes your gift or not!

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 05/06/2017 14:35

Your comparing the behavior of a 9 or 10 year old to that of a university student.Confused.
You might have got a lot more support understanding and sympathy, op. If you'd not bounced on here with the my children are practically perfect in every way attitude.

Spikeyball · 05/06/2017 14:35

So he hits his grandparents but you concentrated on him having his nose in a book.....interesting.

mummytime · 05/06/2017 14:36

Okay - you rarely see your nephew. So some of this "behaviour" seems unlikely to still be happening.

Does he really at 9 still "pick bits he doesn't like out of his meal and leave them on the place mat"?
Do his parents still, now he is 9 rush off at the start of a meal to find his toy? While the rest of you wait and let your food go cold?

If so - I'm going to diagnose over the internet that he has some form of SN. Because that is totally bizarre for a 9 year old.

But I suspect his and his parents behaviour has been irritating you for years, and you have let it all out here.

Okay what did he do wrong on the last visit? Had his head stuck in a book, and didn't speak to you? Well maybe he doesn't like you as much as you don't like him? Or just thinks you are boring.

And actually I do wonder if he has an SN, but I wouldn't diagnose over the internet. Your children are all wonderful as you've told us, but some children actually struggle with sensory overload which has numerous consequences: restricted food choices, overwhelmed in social settings, need for routine, need to zone out (with books etc.). And when overwhelmed they can be violent (as part of the fight, flight or freeze response).
But as you don't even know which school year he is in and are not close to your brother (and he knows you disapprove) your would not be the first to know even if your nephew had been diagnosed.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 05/06/2017 14:36

You're not your, in case the grammer police shout at meGrin

Xmasbaby11 · 05/06/2017 14:36

Ah just seen the update about hitting. Ok. His behaviour is awful then.

Try to offer love and support, not judgment. We have some problems with my dd 5, and my parents sometimes pass judgment and can be cutting and negative. I can't tell you how devastated it makes me feel and makes me feel defensive. I want empathy and support, not criticism and judgement and 'my dc never did that'.

NellieBuff · 05/06/2017 14:37

I would be interested to know when he hit his grandparents and as others have said why not mention that fact first. Confused

milkmoustache · 05/06/2017 14:38

Luckily my children get on pretty well with their cousins, but when they were younger, and hadn't met for a year or so, it certainly took them a while to relax with each other, sometimes over an hour. One of them had a book with him which he carried on reading, and it was only when he felt a bit more comfortable that he started joining in with everyone. We could see it was a security blanket for him, so we just let him take his time. Can the OP try to look past her judgement of the parenting, and actually give her nephew a chance?

WindwardCircle · 05/06/2017 14:39

Did he hit your parents recently, or when he was younger and less in control of his impulses? If it's the former then that's very bad, if it's latter then it's bad behaviour but small sometimes do things like that.

What were the toys he threw down the stairs and was he told not to do it before hand? He may be allowed to throw toys at home, and therefore doesn't know it's wrong, and there's a lot of difference between throwing something fairly indestructible like soft toys, balls or cars to throwing something delicate or expensive.

Colacolaaddict · 05/06/2017 14:39

You've had a rough ride on here OP but you honestly have described a child his parents might consider "quirky, argumentative, clever and funny".

I think YWBU to stop seeing your brother and his family. Start eating when everyone else is ready - they've been showing you since he was a toddler that they don't subscribe to the waiting rule. Polite hosting is never letting a guest feel awkward or uncomfortable, not holding them all to your own particular standards and judging and/or banning them if they fail to measure up.

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TheCuriousOwl · 05/06/2017 14:45

Nah sorry I think a lot of these replies are rubbish.

Bad table manners are not ok. From adults or children. That was how I was brought up and it's how the children in my family are brought up. If others want to bring their kids up differently that's fine, but I wouldn't want children in my house who leave plates swimming in ketchup or who put food on the placemats and can't eat with decorum. Not because it's the 1950s but because it's grim.

Similarly I understand the disparity in income thing. It's easy for a child who always gets expensive presents to learn that that is 'normal' if they aren't taught that any present should be received politely. I remember getting a secret santa present of pencils when I must have been about 8 and going 'who would give THAT??' and being told off and made to think about about being gracious and it might have been because the giver didn't have much money. I felt really ashamed. It's not a bad thing to teach children humility, even if it makes them feel bad at the time (not like abusive ongoing 'can't get over it' bad obviously; proportionate bad).

All the people saying 'well at least he's not breaking things/kicking/spitting'; barring SN there is absolutely no reason for a NT 9 or 10 year old doing those things and I wouldn't let a child like that in my house either if they did those things and the parents wouldn't discipline them for it (because children aren't perfect and all kids do things to push boundaries - but the issue is the parents not giving sanctions, not the child doing it once in the first place).

DistanceCall · 05/06/2017 14:51

I think the OP was trying to say that he's a spoilt child.

He is. And it's true that class and income do have something to do with it.

I understand your not wanting to interact with him. And if your brother asks, I think you should tell him exactly why. That's all you can do.

DistanceCall · 05/06/2017 14:51

And no, it's not the child's fault that he has crap parents. But that doesn't mean that the OP has to put up with his (tolerated) rudeness.

YellowPaisley · 05/06/2017 14:52

I wouldn't put down a book to speak to you either

YoloSwaggins · 05/06/2017 14:52

@TheCuriousOwl, I agree completely.

The kid sounds horrid and rude (surely when you go round someone's house you have some basic fucking manners! At any age above 5, let alone 10!)

Can't believe everyone is defending him and laying into OP Confused

What, because she thinks her children are nicer? Suprise, they probably are.