When I hear "we won't let them win" I now think, Hallo! They are winning!

[bruffian]

How the hell can we stop this?

Infact mumof2 when I said " she's not wrong though " I was actually defending the point you made about it not being as small of a minority as people think

And Maisypop, what exactly is so condescending about saying that my mother predicted this 25 years ago?? She did..and she was right.
And yes there is growing division, and the only people forging it, are them.
As for the Sharia law comments, I have friends who have grown up and still live around the East end, and there is huge support for Sharia law. One friend was invited to a mosque a few years back, and was shocked at how much fervent belief they had in the prospect of this country being ruled by Sharia law one day. A speech attended by hundreds of people, including children, and while she said they were indeed welcoming and friendly, their was no secrecy to the fact that they did not want their children growing up with western values.
This is not saying that every Muslim wants this, of course not. But there are far more than just a few...
And it's about time we took our pc heads out from the sand and appreciated this and it's true scale.

Oops sorry clumsy, I meant to say Chloe! Was referring to the 'pencils in the box' jibe. Sorry

Ahhh no worries I did just wonder actually if you'd got confused

I think this is a very difficult topic to discuss its above my head to be honest ! I think We all agree extremism needs to be dealt with and I do think we need to let go of the "acting alone mentally ill sicko" way of thinking as to me they are simply cannon fodder so to speak not the ones pulling the strings .

but we must also be careful not to generalise and throw about anecdotes that are harmful . There are millions and millions of decent Muslims who are just as harmed ( more so actually ) by terrorists and the ensuing responses / views / arguments etc and were we can hopefully rationally try get our point across on here there are plenty out there who subscribe to the "send them home " way of thinking and point blank refuse any rational discussion and I can imagine people's frustration trying to explain " hey this isn't me I don't think like this ,my family don't my friends don't " etc etc . It must be very difficult

I agree wholeheartedly clumsy.
It's a hugely difficult situation. And while I don't think I know anyone with what could be called as having a racist mentality, I do think emotions are running higher than they have been, we all feel as T May put it, enough is enough. But where this new level of frustration takes us and how, well that's a path we will all have to tentatively travel.
I, as I'm sure most of us do, just want peace & harmony in this world. I have no desire for division or to harbour hate, care not for ones man religion from the next, but when people on our soil are being terrorised and murdered, my heart truly aches for those affected. And in that sense, it is very hard not to feel a teeny bit angry. On that note, peace to all

Oh emotions are deffo running high and we don't know what to do for the best which it makes it all the more harder for people to be able to channel that anger correctly I think . I totally get it

This week is the first time I have ever posted on anything like this on here or other social media . I am heartbroken by what's going on !

By being less tolerant of extremist views

Stop hate preachers and deport to country of origin, imprison if British
Stop allowing extreme views talks to be given at Universities
Stop allowing extreme faith schools run purely by govenors who do not accept our values
Much more power to enforce Facebook and youtube etc to take down extremist material.
Deport all known extremists to country of origin remove British passports
Not allow extremists back from countries such as Syria.

For a start

Ifnot, Islam is not thousands of years younger than Christianity. Christianity came about in 1st Century CE and Islam developed in 7th Century CE. That's a period of around 600 years.

Yeah, I know that Islam started around the C7th. Was a brain malfunction,typing the wrong word, not actual stupidity, but thanks.

mumto2two

Yet the clumsys & Maisypops of this thread think it's ok to lower the tone to comments like 'not the sharpest pencils in the box' insults. Yes, that says it all really...suggestion...

You've got people like luvfizz further up this page advocating that mosques should be closed and Muslims should be forced to restrict to practicing their religion in their homes and yet I am the one lowering the tone? Simply for suggesting a poster upthread is not the sharpest pencil because they thought Islam is several thousands younger than Christianity?

You're happy to ignore inaccuracies and racist comments from anti-Muslims. Says it all really.

I have read nothing on here that could be construed as racist? Although I haven't read all the posts...
You sound very much on the defensive here..

If anyone is coming across as inflammatory Chloe, it is you.

There are nicer ways to point out inaccuracies or mistakes, than to make derogatory comments.

If you have seen any racist posts Chloe report them to MNHQ and they will delete them.

You've got people like luvfizz further up this page advocating that mosques should be closed and Muslims should be forced to restrict to practicing their religion in their homes

But the 100 mosques that adhere to wahhabism should most certainly be shut down and why they haven't already is astounding. Why on earth are we allowing saudi arabia to fund mosques in order to deeply radicalise future terrorists. Only in fucking Britain.

I have read nothing on here that could be construed as racist?Although I haven't read all the posts...

Maybe you should read all the posts before declaring there is nothing on here that can be construed as racist?

How do you feel about people suggesting mosques should be closed down and Muslims restricted to worshipping at home?

I'm not surprised you're skirting the issue.

It certainly isn't racist to suggest that they shut down the terrorist grooming mosques, the ones that are known to support wahhabism.

I think the whole issue of the spread of Wahhabism through Saudi funding of some mosques needs to be urgently looked into and clarity on where the boundary between religious freedom, which is fine, and inciting violence and terrorism, which isn't.

Interesting article by Iain Dale on foreign funding of mosques.

www.iaindale.com/posts/2015/06/28/why-wahhabi-salafist-mosques-should-be-banned-from-receiving-foreign-funding

so when you say 'you've got people like so and so saying such and such' you actually mean one poster said something that you found offensive. rather than address that poster and that offensive comment you resorted to implying there was widespread racism on this thread and everyone was thick and racist and complaining about not being allowed to be mean to muslims?

thanks for that contribution to discussion.

those mosques should most definitely be closed. those preachers should most definitely be deported or imprisoned. the shocker is that they haven't been rather than saying they should be.

they should also be recorded as racially motivated hate crimes.

I have quite clearly said Chloe...as you have quite clearly quoted. 'I have read nothing nothing on here that could be construed as racist'. And I also clarified that, by adding that I haven't read all the posts.
Now please tell me what is so wrong or inflammatory with that??
Six words spring to mind.
He who doth protest too much...

And what issue exactly am I supposed to be skirting on here??
The one you have just mentioned regarding closing down grooming ground mosques?
Thanks for drawing my attention to it, but no, I don't think that's a racist suggestion. Any place that is not properly able to monitor the activity that takes place on its premises, clearly poses a problem.

luvfizz was clearly advocating shutting down all mosques and restricting all Muslims to practicing within the home.

Funny how you have now all twisted that to just 'grooming' mosques.

Your anti-Muslim agenda is clear, otherwise you would challenge luvfizz on their Islamophobia.

And what am I protesting too much about, mum? Maybe try using actual words rather than ellipses?

At least I'm responding to posts as they are written, not twisting them to fit my narrative.

You clearly have a massive chip Chloe. I have not read all the comments as I have said, and even of the ones we do skim, just because we don't comment to agree or disagree, does not mean we condone or not.
We have all had been able to have a discussion on here about this important issue, without the hostility you have brought to it. As another poster has already politely suggested, If you feel anyone on here has made racist comments, then contact MNHQ and ask them to remove.

Funny how you have now all twisted that to just 'grooming' mosques.