Staunch Tory wavering

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So as title says, I have always been a staunch Tory supporter and I also voted leave in the EU referendum. I genuinely have the utmost faith in TM to deliver brexit to the best of her ability

BUT

the NHS & education...

JC is someone I could never respect but labours approach to the NHS and education seems to be far far better. However I simply cannot abide any of their social policies (my view on this is that EVERYONE who is physically and mentally capable of working, should, no one gets a free ride unless disabled/caring for someone who is)

Now I don't want Tory flaming but I need to decide whether the Tory economical and social policies outweigh Labours NHS plans and education policies. Can anyone help?

A must read... www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/politics/facebook-comment-jeremy-corbyn-going-viral/31/05/

Don't forget every time TM says 'don't risk Corbyn in charge of Brexit' to shout at the TV 'Why did you call a General Election then you self-interested, politically disastrous incompetent smug-face?'

Nobody will get into bed with the Tories. Absolutely nobody. Except maybe UKIP.

The financial mess after the last Labour government was mostly due to a global crisis.

The mess we are in now, while other countries are doing well around us, is entirely at the feet of the tories. Austerity was never the solution, it was simply their ideology that has driven cut after cut.

The development of Universal Credit has been a disaster, costing us billions. The Naylor report is a nightmare and TM ssys she backs it and intends to implement it. Disabled people are suffering.

Someone up thread mentioned a war on jobless layabouts or something to that effect....please stop reading the Daily Mail.

None of the parties have all the answers. But the Tories are planning to do irreparable damage to this country.

So, a 70-year old woman, say, who lives in rented accommodation, has no savings and only lives on a state pension, develops dementia - she has to pay for her own social care for the next five years. Even though she has no money. What do you do then?

The answer is "I wouldn't start from here". I know that Labour like to trumpet on about creating the NHS and comprehensive social security but it was never funded properly from the start and never has been since. They had a great idea but fudged the funding. It's what they do.

Yep that sounds like a great result for seven years of Tory policies. NOT.

It wasn't seven years of Tory. It was five years of coalition then two years of Tory.

Thank god it was a coalition for 5 years, things would have been much worse without the Lib Dems. Since the coalition ended and the Tory plans have accelerated, it's been obvious just how bad things can get.

The financial mess after the last Labour government was mostly due to a global crisis.

If we had a pound for every time this was trotted out then we wouldn't be in this crisis.
"The crisis wasn't our fault. We just happened to be in charge of all the levers at the time" What happened to "the buck stops here"?

I've always voted Conservative, but I'll be voting Lib Dem in this election. I'm one of the 48% who voted 'Remain' last summer and I feel the Tories have completely abandoned us. They are not only going hell for leather for Brexit, but they're aiming for hard Brexit, which I think will be a complete and utter disaster. Leaving the customs union, leaving the single market? Madness. Utter economic suicide. I cannot vote for that.

If Labour were in total control of the financial crisis, how come it hit other countries too? Are Labour that powerful?

If Labour were in total control of the financial crisis, how come it hit other countries too?

It didn't hit all of them. It wasn't global.

So you're saying that labour invented the global financial crisis to hide their own wrong doing?

Did we imagine the recession that hit the USA and most of Europe?

Or is it just convenient to say that "the buck stops here" when it suits your views...while ignoring the billions that have been wasted on Universal Credit or the increased borrowing under the Tories?

It might not have hit every country, but it had knock on effects around the globe and was certainly not limited to the UK.

The bankers got greedy globally. Doesn't Jc want a national bank to try and prevent irresponsible investments and lending?

I have voted Tory in the past. Right now I am absolutely horrified at what they have done and I will never vote for them again. I can't say I'm thrilled about labour right now but for me personally two big things stop me voting Tory.

Disability benefits. These have been cut to the bone. A few years back the horrific process came out and ATOS were blamed. They took all the heat and were fired and a lot of people think that has sorted it.

The fact is over the last two years since the torys took full control the system has been totally rejigged and is worse than ever. My DH is disabled. He has an ongoing condition that is the same now as it was just 4 years ago. If anything it is worse as he now occasionally uses a wheelchair.

Four years ago he was assessed and found to fit the criteria for full pip including enhanced mobility. This award was supposed to last for minimum 3 years before reassessment. Within 2 months of the torys taking full control and literally just after we hit year 2 of our 3 year award we were called for reassessment. When we queried it they claimed it was fine and we could be reassessed anytime after 2 years despite our award stating 3 years.

They then proceeded to strip my husband of all his benefit claiming that he "no longer fit the criteria" we also found when requesting a copy of the report that the examiner had flat out lied in several places. After addressing this in a mandatory reconsideration we managed to get a basic level reinstated. We were straight out told that they have changed the criteria for mobility and we no longer fit it despite DH being unable to walk without incredible pain.

I have also had friends and family who were assessed or reassessed during the last two years. All benefits have been removed from or refused to someone with MS, someone autistic and someone who can barely walk who has a combination of disabilities.

A google search for motability cars will show you thousands of people including someone in a wheelchair have had their cars removed. Another search will show a horrific number of suicides amongst disabled people who have been left trapped, isolated and on the poverty line.

The school cuts in some cases are far worse than publicised and are happening right now. My child's school has had their budget for this year slashed so much they have no idea how they will cope. The change is so large they would have to fire all the TAs and at least 2 teachers as well as making cut backs to the bone re resources to make up the deficit.

I cannot condone either of these things. The torys have made too many cuts from the most vulnerable to save themselves and the fat cats. This is not what they promised and right now I don't believe a word they say. How can they say they are or will investing into education when 90% of schools are facing massive budget cuts? It's utter bollocks.

Apparently we should "judge them by what they've done" so I've done that and I won't be voting for them, ever again.

It is the job of Government to make sure that the country runs properly. If you work for the government you know that they are forever doing what-if scenario and contingency planning.
Blair and Brown loosened controls on the financial system (changed the Bank of England's remit, for example) which meant that we were vulnerable to the financial crisis.
Other countries didn't and weren't.

Labour want to support parents going back to work with increased childcare funding, and make work pay by increasing the minimum wage, so they actually will encourage and enable more people to work rather than the tories maintaining this fiasco of people working yet still relying on food banks.

We're not voting for the best, we're voting for the least worse.

Agree with this. None of them inspire confidence.

I'm surprised (some) people think we're not in an economic crisis at the moment. Yes, the corporates are still doing well and the rich are still getting richer. But we're voting for our nation - our loved ones, our communities, the rundown town down the road that we might never go to but they're still people and they still count.

We need to stop measuring success on profits and wealth, and start looking at quality of life for our citizens. 1.2 million food parcels were given out by the Trussell Trust last year. That sounds like a crisis to me.

Regarding Labour running up debt, the national debt currently stands at £1.8 trillion, that is three times the level when Labour were in power. Anyone that thinks the Tories offer economic stability needs to look at the facts and not the story they want you to believe.

@0hCrepe, yes, the proposed National Investment Bank would offer investment in infrastructure and industries, helping to regenerate forgotten areas and hopefully creating a buffer for the loss of EU funding (it will be the poorest areas that are hardest hit by that lost funding). They also propose a regional banking system so funds are more fairly allocated (London and the surrounding areas typically receive far higher funding than others). The regional banking idea already works very effectively in Germany.

I think it's appalling that food banks are just an accepted part of every day life now. People not having enough money for food is just routine.

I find it difficult to understand this "I don't like Corbyn" thing. What exactly is it people don't like about him? All that I see and hear of him persuades me that he is a principled man with some positive and forward thinking ideas for how we can make this country, this world, a better place. Austerity has got us nowhere. We are not better off, the deficit is not reduced. We need a new approach and I think that investment in our public services is a huge part of that.

'No money left for schools or NHS'? How much money are the Tories intending to invest? Ah yes, we don't know. Do we have any evidence of where Tory priorities are likely to lie? Or should that be do we already know they lie about their priorities?

Citroen it's well documented that increasing taxes decreases overall taxation. It also decreases ambition, motivation, aspiration and increases dependency.

Quite the claim fuckwitery. Would you like to quote a source?

Because far from being "well documented" I think you'll find it depends entirely on the type of taxation, and many many other factors. And regarding whether or not it increases dependency, again not once has these been written as a statement of fact - because it can't be written as a statement of fact - because it isn't a fact.

It may be an opinion held by the odd economist, as might the contrary view; but it is not possible for any single economist to attribute any change in personal motivations to any single factor, and actually have there been any studies that even show any correlation in any single case, let alone in every case? Not that I'm aware of.