Staunch Tory wavering

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So as title says, I have always been a staunch Tory supporter and I also voted leave in the EU referendum. I genuinely have the utmost faith in TM to deliver brexit to the best of her ability

BUT

the NHS & education...

JC is someone I could never respect but labours approach to the NHS and education seems to be far far better. However I simply cannot abide any of their social policies (my view on this is that EVERYONE who is physically and mentally capable of working, should, no one gets a free ride unless disabled/caring for someone who is)

Now I don't want Tory flaming but I need to decide whether the Tory economical and social policies outweigh Labours NHS plans and education policies. Can anyone help?

'squeeze more out of them'. That's ridiculous. They won't even feel the pinch. They didn't up sticks prior to 2010, so why would they now?

You don't think it's possible that they would be happy to contribute to better public services?

Also ChristinaRosetti Len McCluskey the ultra left general secretary of the trade union UNITE is a huge Corbyn supporter and if JC becomes PM he will be demanding his pound of flesh for that support.

I have direct experience of the trade unions holding the country to ransom during the 70s when we had daily power cuts, my DM being unable to finish cooking dinner as the electric would just suddenly go off, being off school for weeks on end because no fuel was delivered, doing homework by candlelight, rubbish piling up and rats going through it.

Years later when discussing it with my colleague she said she'd experience the same growing up in Hungary When it was a communist state.

christinarosetti if you think they will be happy to do so then I'll try not to destroy yours or JCs happy bubble, maybe Labour could also tax unicorns and rainbows which would probably be easier

If the Labour Party would break its links with the trade unions and replace the "right to strike" in essential services with two-way binding arbitration there would be no stopping them. As it is the unions are their paymasters and also their ball and chain.

I am sure i read recently that Portugal tried the austerity route and it had similar impact as here (ie failed). The government then decide to try the investment route suggested by Labour manifesto and it's economy is now doing well.

I'm afraid I haven't read the full thread (sorry)
I work with a range of people with disabilities. They are mostly deaf with severe physical and some mental disabilities. All of them rely on support. Their benefits have been cut by half. They receive several letters a month with conflicting and confusing information that they can't understand. I have been on the phone waiting in a queue (which costs money, thankfully it's my work phone so it doesn't cost them) for upwards of 20 minutes to get in touch.
One of my service users has had his mobility car removed because they didn't bring an interpreter to the interview and the assessor marked that he could do everything independently. He is able to drive to medical appointments/service user centre but has limited mobility and is now having to wait for dial a ride bookings that drop him one way but won't pick him up leaving him stranded and unable to book a taxi home! He is incapable of using red buses/public transport.
My children's school has been cut to the bone with staff leaving, equipment running low and parents in a very deprived area having to subsidise school equipment. There are not enough support staff and the Tories are planning more cuts for £664 per child in my school.

I know the choice of Labour leadership is not ideal. But please think of those suffering. I have so many horror stories from my work. All under the aim of efficiencies but really it's just cutting vital services.

Here is a short video explaining the Naylor Report, what it means and how it will impact the NHS. Theresa May and Tories are fully behind policies in Naylor Report.

Yes. And as soon as anyone mentions that perhaps political priorities should centre around improving the quality of life for ordinary people, the right start talking about unicorns.

Almost as if they have nothing sensible to say.

The main thing we have learned about TM this election, is she is not a skilled negotiator, she can't think/talk on her feet, she isn't brave and committed, she's more stand offiish. She's embarrassing in how she deals with Trump.

How anyone can actually watch her in action and believe she would be a good negotiator astonishes me. All evidence appears to be to the contrary.

David Davis is an utter fool. I have no confidence in him or Boris. They are all as self serving as "oops run and hide" millionaire David Cameron.

Tories have borrowed more than anyone and austerity has been proven and shown again and again not to work. Why do you think they are good st the economy - they aren't.

Also if Tories win, but lose seats, I can't imagine May will be PM for very long. She called an election no one wanted to gain a mandate. If she gets the opposite of that she will have to go. Not strong, not stable. She's the flip flop PM and the Tories will be in crisis.

It would be hilarious if after the Theresa May branded election with calls to Vote For Theresa May (and the conservatives), she ended up not negotiating Brexit for those who voted for her anyway, even if they win.

Unless they win with gains, I don't see how she can stay on.

I've just seen the Times reporting that the size of May's majority will determine whether Michael Gove returns to cabinet. If she gets a small majority, he'll be shipped in to shore up support from Eurosceptics.

Tory tactics to try to increase the majority? No one wants more Gove.

May is toast.

Thank fuck.

ChampagneSocialist1 just because you lived through a particular period of time it does not give you special political insight. You have your own individual experiences as we all do.

Comparing the UK in the 70s to Hungary during the Cold War is hyperbolic nonsense. Both countries experienced power cuts, that's probably about it as Hungary didn't have free trade unions! Indeed Hungarians died fighting for their right to unionise.

The 70s were a difficult time economically across the world. They were also a time of significantly higher social mobility and a smaller gap between the richest and the poorest in society. Labour was in power for most of the decade so can be both criticised and praised.

I'm just worried that after last night, lots of people will flock back to the Conservatives...

Not me. I've switched to Labour.

Why would anyone flock back to the Conservatives?

May denied that costs to policing would lead to further civilian deaths (unfortunately, proved wrong).

Has merrily trotted off to sell arms to Saudi since the Westminster Bridge attack.

Not me either.

I found Mays speech very disturbing.

Mousse you might find my experiences were shared with millions of other people who lived in the U.K. In the 70s when the whole country was held to ransom by the trade unions acting in ways not dissimilar to communist leaders

ChampagneSocialist1 that is certainly your opinion and millions would agree with you but millions of others would disagree. Just because you were alive then does not make your opinion more valid.

The trade unions certainly needed some restraining influences but you ignore all the good they did. Sick pay, holiday pay, employment rights, redundancy pay; rights many of our young people will never have.
Also, I repeat, the 70s were a period of time where the gap between rich and poor diminished.

If you are going to use previous govertnments as a point of reference you need to widen your focus and look at the history not just your personal experiences.

ChampagneSocialist1 I've just read that back and it sounds like I am marking an essay! Sorry

The point of history is we can use it to learn what will most likely happen when you implement a particular policy. If Labour wins the election and are dominated by the trade unions chances are you will get a situation simlar to the winter of discontent.

Champagne being held to ransom by unions, this is of course the Tory view even though in the case of the miners, the Government pay board said the NUM had a sound case. Historians are questioning whether the three day week had to happen at all or whether the Tories saw an opportunity to discredit unions. Heath called an election in the middle of it, believing there would be an overwhelming Tory majority and ended up with a hung parliament. So crap decisions regarding the economy, weak strategy regarding elections, leader who stood aloof from his colleagues, sounding familiar?

Trade unions have nowhere near the power they had in the 70s. Thatcher and Joseph made sure of that.