Staunch Tory wavering

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So as title says, I have always been a staunch Tory supporter and I also voted leave in the EU referendum. I genuinely have the utmost faith in TM to deliver brexit to the best of her ability

BUT

the NHS & education...

JC is someone I could never respect but labours approach to the NHS and education seems to be far far better. However I simply cannot abide any of their social policies (my view on this is that EVERYONE who is physically and mentally capable of working, should, no one gets a free ride unless disabled/caring for someone who is)

Now I don't want Tory flaming but I need to decide whether the Tory economical and social policies outweigh Labours NHS plans and education policies. Can anyone help?

You may need the unions to fight your corner when you cant get that cancer operation because of cuts or because you haven't got enough health insurance when the NHS is sold off right under your nose.

Would be very unsurprised to see unions gaining in power again if the Tories get in because a huge number of worker rights originate in the EU. Would personally prefer my rights to be granted to me, rather than me-as-a-member-of-a-union but better than no rights at all.

Germany has a strongly unionised work force but the managers and government work with them rather than fight them ( the Tory governments of the 50s). Unions on the board etc.

It could be argued that it is Tory antagonism towards the unions that stokes the fire. We could work together but the Tories don't want a fair fight.

The rights some of us still have stick pay, holiday pay etc are because of the unions. Do you enjoy these rights ChampagneSocialist1 ? Because if you do it was not a Tory government that gave them to you, they were fought for by the Unions you despise.

I don't despise trade unions defending workers rights proportionately but I do object to them having so much power that they feel able to dictate to an democratically elected government and hold a a country to ransom

ChampagneSocialist1 alternative points of view about the 70s have been put forward. I find them persuasive especially when backed up with my own knowledge.
The winter of discontent was a turning point in the power of the unions and if Callaghan had won the 79 election he was prepared to tackle the issue how successful he might have been is another question.
You seem to be basing a lot of your views on today's elections on a one sided interpretation of events 40 years ago.

Mousse I agree there are alternative points of view to the events in the 70s. I also think personal experience of living through a period of history such as the winter of discontent and suffering its hardships as a working class family gives one an unique insight into the consequences of the socialist utopia and one I'm not happy to enter into again.

I lived through that too so my personal experience also affects my views. I've been a member of a union, and been on strike and worked in environments where there were unions and chosen not to join one. I much prefer it that workers rights are enshrined at an individual level in EU law. Whatever you think of socialism, the overwhelming argument against Tory governments (historically and now) is that they cannot be trusted to run an economy that focuses on growth or productivity (we are currently bottom of the G7 league). In terms of a country being held to ransom, we are repeatedly held to ransom by the Tories.

One of these days another generation will find it preposterous that essential services could be withdrawn because of private disagreements between those providing them.

ChampagneSocialist1 and a working class family living through the pain of Thatcher's Britain was better. The unemployment?

And for clarity. The Labour party is NOT a socialist party, it is a party of labour. A socialist party has more of an ideological base. To class the Callaghan government of the late 70s as a socialist utopia, is quite frankly nonsense. I don't think you would find any serious thinkers who would suggest this.

Callaghan's government wasn't socialist and it certainly wasn't utopia. But it was trade union arrogance which got the Iron Lady elected and (with some help from Mr Galtieri) re-elected.

Andrewofgg not arguing with that..... Unfortunately