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Nasty message from friend

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mummymummums · 30/05/2017 19:19

Some background. About 4 years ago we came into an established friendship group of 4 families, through a shared hobby. There was a 4 family whatsapp group that we were added to. Family 1 and Family 2 are the main people in the story.
Families 3 and 4 got dropped (not by us) pretty soon after our arrival in the group. Family 2 set up a new whatsapp group just for families 1, 2 and us. The reasons they were dropped seemed valid (e.g. Borrowing stuff and returning it trashed regularly, or being given stuff (hobby related) and selling it straight after for significant profit.) We invited Family 3 and 4 to a couple of BBQs at ours but their being part of the group fizzled out and we didn't know them well.
For the last 3 years a friendship has continued with us and families 1 and 2, with BBQs regularly and get togethers. The parents of the DH in family 1 also started coming to events at family 1's house, and family 2 became particularly close to them. Family 1 parents are in 70s but youngish at heart and lovely.
Last year me and DH realised that despite having had family 2 to ours many many times, they have never once invited us to anything. Only us or family 1 ever hosted (we thought), but we became aware that family 2 were hosting, but only inviting family 1 and parents of family 1. It was being done secretly. We then became aware from a slip up by the DH in family 2 that a secret whatsapp had been set up for families 1, 2 and parents of family 1. We still invited families 1 and 2 over, and we went to family 1's house many times and they even joined us for a couple of days on holiday last year (their idea). The DW in family 2 organised an event (hobby related) and invited a few ladies (all of whom I knew) but not me. I felt hurt but realised that for whatever reason she did not welcome us to the group, albeit she was happy to come to ours to be catered for if we asked.
We realised that if we wanted to be friends with family 1, we still needed to invite family 2 to our events, which we did.
Then last September family 2 moved 100 miles away. We were quite pleased really as there was no ignoring that they were never reciprocating, and it was getting irritating.
After they were gone we suggested a few outings to family 1, but all were declined. I think they had valid reasons. Then at Xmas I suggested they gone up with any date to suit them, and come to us for a meal. They seemed keen but never came up with a date, instead telling us that friends were visiting from the US and they wanted to keep themselves free for him.
We pretty much gave up. We knew DW of family 2 was not a fan of ours, but we'd thought that family 1 had become solid friends.
8 months passed since we last saw them and we realised we'd been dropped, like families 3 and 4. But no idea why. We were aware that families 1 and 2 and the parents of family 1 were meeting up, with family 2 staying with the parents but it was being done secretly.
Then last Sunday family 1 posted pics of them all in the pub. So I did something silly that I regret. I posted a meme on Facebook saying "At some point you have to forget those people who have forgotten you." I hate these PA things usually but I decided it mentally drew a line for me. Me and DH (who completely agrees we've been dropped and that family 2 never wanted us) left the whatsapp group that hadn't actually been used since last year anyway.
Next morning I get a very shirty message from DW of family 1. She said she had no idea I felt that way, I shouldn't judge people, she's very busy and her friends accept that, and she feels sick. I replied explaining why we felt that way. I explained that we really liked all of them, but in 3 years had not had a single invite from family 2, and had been actively left out of anything arranged by family 2. I said we felt uncomfortable and acknowledged they had a strong friendship with family 2 so hadn't said anything and carried on including everyone. However, when our last few invites to them (family 1) were declined, we left it, but had realised we were forgotten, having gone from at least 2 get togethers a month to nothing in 8 months. I reiterated that they meant a lot to us.
The reply I got was so upsetting. She said:
"Oh my god Mummy. Get your bloody head out of your arse. Think this over!"
WIBU to try to explain? I'm so cross with myself for bothering. I can see this is what they do, dropping people, but she seems to be denying that we were dropped I think. Seemingly suggesting that friends ought to take whatever crumbs they offer. I always knew that the message from me meant no return, not least as family 1 DW would never entertain the idea that family 2 DW had excluded us. But 3 years, multiple events hosted by us, not a single one back, I surely didn't imagine it?? And 8 months of no contact surely isn't normal when you were seeing people all the time??
What did I do? I feel shocked and keep replaying it.
I do appreciate that people can choose to be friends with whoever they want, and that often we won't be included in everything. But we haven't been included in a single thing for 8 months.
Please don't flame me for the meme. I realise I was BU on that.
I think the right thing to do is not reply now, no one will ever see it from our point of view. I reality checked with DH before posting anything as he's the most level headed person I know and he can't understand the reaction about my arse and head either.
Please anyone tell me where I went wrong (other than the meme)

OP posts:
3luckystars · 31/05/2017 02:49

Good riddance.

3luckystars · 31/05/2017 02:55

(My first thought was that there was an illness involved and they wanted to keep it quiet)
But the more you posted the more I think you are better off away from this complicated game. Real friends make you feel good about yourself.

Aeroflotgirl · 31/05/2017 07:49

Omg little paintbox, she did you a massive favour, nasty as hell. When she started talking about dropping friends she was no longer interested in, that would have been z massive red flag, and I wod have got there first.

terrylene · 31/05/2017 09:17

The reason for dropping me was that I was suffering from depression, and she was honest enough (and unkind enough) to tell me 'I don't want to spend my time around someone who's depressed.' I had someone walk away from me with an eyeroll when she asked how I was, and I said 'a bit down' - sure knew she wasn't a friend............

EllenMP · 31/05/2017 17:45

Is there a piece of this puzzle you are missing? DW1's text doesn't match her first response to your post from she "feels sick" to "head out of arse" is a big jump. Could DH1 have sent it from her phone? Or someone else? Or could there be some reason why they dropped you that you don't know about? Something someone in your family said or did? I'm sorry you have been hurt by all this crap. I advise replying to say you don't appreciate having your attempts to talk about something that upsets you treated with such derision, and it's been nice knowing you.

AlysonWorldTravelFamily · 31/05/2017 17:47

Sorry but I'd agree with Friend 1's comment. You're acting like a child. Tit for tat invites and feeling left out if you're not invited is just not something grown ups do. Enjoy your own life, you don't need to put so much weight on social events and get togethers. They're unimportant. She's not your husband, she's just somebody you know socially, she has no duty to you at all.

nina2b · 31/05/2017 17:50

Do not be ashamed on the meme. It was fully deserved.

nina2b · 31/05/2017 17:51

Do not be ashamed of the meme. It was fully deserved.

Soporific1 · 31/05/2017 17:57

So do tell

  1. Any race, creed, religion, class issues in the group?

  2. Was this social activity lead by both adults equally?

  3. Why did most of the WhatsApp Messages from male or female?

I suspect as follows 1 = No, 2 = No, 3 = Female

DarkAngel1984 · 31/05/2017 18:02

I recently called my only friend out on lying to me and she wouldn't admit it so now we don't talk to each other.

It was hard and can be lonely sometimes but I've got my husband and ds and they mean more to me then the drama.

I think your much better without

samuelb · 31/05/2017 18:05

These people are obviously out for what they can get, better of without them. You did them a courtesy by explaining how you felt. Her response just shows her true colours. As another commenter noted, you were just supposed to go quietly like a good little girl.
I will tell you this for free, you are much better of without them. Just unfriend them off Facebook and move on, do not water any more time on these idiots.
Just my opinion, of course.

Starlighter · 31/05/2017 18:06

Oh bless u OP, that's not nice of them. People can be arseholes.

I'd have to reply!! Call her out on it! MN style!

"Wow! I can't believe your reply! Did you mean to be so rude??"

LagunaBubbles · 31/05/2017 18:10

It might be seen as childish reactions etc by some people but there is nothing childish about having an emotional reaction to people treating us badly. As lots of other people have said you are much better off without them.

jayne1976 · 31/05/2017 18:10

How did she know it was referencing them....

AyUpMiDuck · 31/05/2017 18:11

A bit late to help you OP but you might be interested in this.

A friend is going through a tough time with her DD's sociopathic M-I-L and has read extensively around the subject. She recommends The Empath Trap. Friend has read that the way to stop the 'perp' is to threaten to 'out' them and publically shame them; Reputation and Social standing is often very important to a Sociopath.

You might want to ask others to record conversations, save messages etc as the Sociopath will lie about what they have said about you. Much like MyCatsaPirate said, others will also have experienced the Sociopath's nastiness so there will be support once you get the issue Out There.

Of course there will be someone enabling the perp to get away with this bad behaviour (The Empath) by making it seem so normal, so justified, so coming from a place of concern and kindness... and this Empath will defend them and, unwittingly, allow them to continue. It's often a close family member who is fair and pleasant and sees the good in people. But they get duped.

Sputnikk · 31/05/2017 18:18

I joined just to say this. I dont think you did anything wrong, you made it clear that your didnt like their behaviour. Sometimes you can take the higher moral ground blah blah, but at other times stuff needs to be said and you did just that. They sound like a rotten bunch of people to me, you're well rid! DOnt beat yourself up, at least now everyone knows where they stand.

Brenn864 · 31/05/2017 18:19

That's a really interesting point! They're all about winning in life or being perceived as "winners" and mummymummums was going through a difficult time with DH losing his job and her father being ill, so as she was happy go clappy and entertaining they stopped inviting her. That's my guess anyway

Brenn864 · 31/05/2017 18:20

Sorry meant to say NOT happy go clappy 😐

Arkhamasylum · 31/05/2017 18:21

I would be so tempted to tell her that at least you could fit your head up your arse. She couldn't for DW2's tongue. And then block her.

But then I'm childish and unhelpful.
You're probably best just to ignore it.

GladAllOver · 31/05/2017 18:23

It's pretty clear that the friendship had died. Some do. And then it's best to let them lie quietly rather than jump on the body.

Gingercatsarethebest2017 · 31/05/2017 18:37

They sound like nobs and 19thC society climbers. Yuk. Move on and find some new friends. Delete numbers and unfriend on fb. I don't think you did anything wrong x

Squishedstrawberry4 · 31/05/2017 18:38

It's ok for family 2 not to invite you. You already knew that the wife wasnt keen and so it would be silly to have had to you across. I'm not quite sure why you invited family 2 to functions.

Family 1 seems fickle.

I would make your own mind up about families 3 and 4.

Yes it was immature to send a meme but it was clearly done while upset.

Sukitakeitoff · 31/05/2017 18:38

Either don't reply or reply just with

😘

Squishedstrawberry4 · 31/05/2017 18:43

Also if wife of family 1 really cared for you as a friend, she would want to talk things through and clear the air and instantly know the meme was done in the heat of the moment

Squishedstrawberry4 · 31/05/2017 18:44

The fact she's had no contact for 8 months speaks volumes

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