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Nasty message from friend

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mummymummums · 30/05/2017 19:19

Some background. About 4 years ago we came into an established friendship group of 4 families, through a shared hobby. There was a 4 family whatsapp group that we were added to. Family 1 and Family 2 are the main people in the story.
Families 3 and 4 got dropped (not by us) pretty soon after our arrival in the group. Family 2 set up a new whatsapp group just for families 1, 2 and us. The reasons they were dropped seemed valid (e.g. Borrowing stuff and returning it trashed regularly, or being given stuff (hobby related) and selling it straight after for significant profit.) We invited Family 3 and 4 to a couple of BBQs at ours but their being part of the group fizzled out and we didn't know them well.
For the last 3 years a friendship has continued with us and families 1 and 2, with BBQs regularly and get togethers. The parents of the DH in family 1 also started coming to events at family 1's house, and family 2 became particularly close to them. Family 1 parents are in 70s but youngish at heart and lovely.
Last year me and DH realised that despite having had family 2 to ours many many times, they have never once invited us to anything. Only us or family 1 ever hosted (we thought), but we became aware that family 2 were hosting, but only inviting family 1 and parents of family 1. It was being done secretly. We then became aware from a slip up by the DH in family 2 that a secret whatsapp had been set up for families 1, 2 and parents of family 1. We still invited families 1 and 2 over, and we went to family 1's house many times and they even joined us for a couple of days on holiday last year (their idea). The DW in family 2 organised an event (hobby related) and invited a few ladies (all of whom I knew) but not me. I felt hurt but realised that for whatever reason she did not welcome us to the group, albeit she was happy to come to ours to be catered for if we asked.
We realised that if we wanted to be friends with family 1, we still needed to invite family 2 to our events, which we did.
Then last September family 2 moved 100 miles away. We were quite pleased really as there was no ignoring that they were never reciprocating, and it was getting irritating.
After they were gone we suggested a few outings to family 1, but all were declined. I think they had valid reasons. Then at Xmas I suggested they gone up with any date to suit them, and come to us for a meal. They seemed keen but never came up with a date, instead telling us that friends were visiting from the US and they wanted to keep themselves free for him.
We pretty much gave up. We knew DW of family 2 was not a fan of ours, but we'd thought that family 1 had become solid friends.
8 months passed since we last saw them and we realised we'd been dropped, like families 3 and 4. But no idea why. We were aware that families 1 and 2 and the parents of family 1 were meeting up, with family 2 staying with the parents but it was being done secretly.
Then last Sunday family 1 posted pics of them all in the pub. So I did something silly that I regret. I posted a meme on Facebook saying "At some point you have to forget those people who have forgotten you." I hate these PA things usually but I decided it mentally drew a line for me. Me and DH (who completely agrees we've been dropped and that family 2 never wanted us) left the whatsapp group that hadn't actually been used since last year anyway.
Next morning I get a very shirty message from DW of family 1. She said she had no idea I felt that way, I shouldn't judge people, she's very busy and her friends accept that, and she feels sick. I replied explaining why we felt that way. I explained that we really liked all of them, but in 3 years had not had a single invite from family 2, and had been actively left out of anything arranged by family 2. I said we felt uncomfortable and acknowledged they had a strong friendship with family 2 so hadn't said anything and carried on including everyone. However, when our last few invites to them (family 1) were declined, we left it, but had realised we were forgotten, having gone from at least 2 get togethers a month to nothing in 8 months. I reiterated that they meant a lot to us.
The reply I got was so upsetting. She said:
"Oh my god Mummy. Get your bloody head out of your arse. Think this over!"
WIBU to try to explain? I'm so cross with myself for bothering. I can see this is what they do, dropping people, but she seems to be denying that we were dropped I think. Seemingly suggesting that friends ought to take whatever crumbs they offer. I always knew that the message from me meant no return, not least as family 1 DW would never entertain the idea that family 2 DW had excluded us. But 3 years, multiple events hosted by us, not a single one back, I surely didn't imagine it?? And 8 months of no contact surely isn't normal when you were seeing people all the time??
What did I do? I feel shocked and keep replaying it.
I do appreciate that people can choose to be friends with whoever they want, and that often we won't be included in everything. But we haven't been included in a single thing for 8 months.
Please don't flame me for the meme. I realise I was BU on that.
I think the right thing to do is not reply now, no one will ever see it from our point of view. I reality checked with DH before posting anything as he's the most level headed person I know and he can't understand the reaction about my arse and head either.
Please anyone tell me where I went wrong (other than the meme)

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Italiangreyhound · 30/05/2017 20:51

Wink another great reason not to start cycling.

Make new friends, you are definitely better off without them.

BitofaPoorEffort · 30/05/2017 20:52

Please send FakePlastic's message!

And then focus on keeping well and strong for the tough time ahead, hopefully with your better friends and your family supporting you.

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 20:52

Yes I do plan to block them on Facebook and messenger.
Lots of great suggestions for replies but it's been 24 hours now so I'm thinking just leave her with her unpleasant comment ringing in her ears. I've realised she's closed her mind to whatever I might say.
It really was never one way with family 1, I know they liked us once. And actually DH of family 2 is lovely and liked us. I really think it was DW2.
But yes, it's a definite goner.

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honeyroar · 30/05/2017 20:57

I wouldn't worry about it, you didn't do anything wrong. It might have made her think for a few seconds, even if she then went on the attack. As for other people thinking what you wrote was candid, I bet a good few of her friends know exactly what you meant and smiled (ie, had had similar treatment themselves!). You weren't the first they've done it to, you won't be the last. People can be a disappointment. Leave them to play with each other and concentrate on nicer people.

Italiangreyhound · 30/05/2017 20:57

Don't over analyse it.

Forget them, people can be nice, people an be mean, but when they are nice and mean they are basically mean! IMHO.

Move on, hope you will get strength from real friends for the situation with your dad. XX

LittleBeautyBelle · 30/05/2017 21:04

Yes, w2 didn't like you getting too close to "her" friend. There must be something beneficial or useful to w2 from that family, from the wife or husband or his parents, for her to ingratiate herself with them to that extent and to "remove" other friends from w1's orbit. Must be.

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 21:09

One thing I didn't mention, which might be relevant, is that of the 4 original families, and ours, DW of family 2 is the only non-cyclist. She had a go but didn't take to it I think and only started because she met her DH (about 5-6 years ago I think), so this might've contributed to why she felt threatened by me as me as DW1 is very keen at cycling. It also makes it all the more odd that she organised the night ride event (that I wasn't asked to)

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LittleBeautyBelle · 30/05/2017 21:24

Yes op that added to your closeness with w1. W2 is just involving herself in w1's hobby to keep her close. Not odd. Textbook.

CotswoldStrife · 30/05/2017 21:37

It's not a great situation but you knew that they (families 1 and 2) did this, because they already set up a new group without 3 and 4 that you were happy to join at the time. It shouldn't come as a great surprise when the same thing happens again tbh.

HarrySnotter · 30/05/2017 21:41

In my family life, we have different groups we socialise with for different reasons. We have our 'foodie' group for example; 3 families. We don't invite a 4th family, who are also in this group always, because they're not interested in food. I guess they could feel they've been 'dropped' but that isn't so.

See, I would invited them and let them decide if it was something they wanted to attend. I our circle of friends, some of us do the same hobby, but we all always invited everyone and they can decide for themselves if they want to come. I would hate for anyone to feel left out.

I had a situation a few years ago OP when a couple I had known for about ten years moved near to us. We invited them to lots of things within our group of friends and it was fine for a few months. Then the DW of that couple decided that they only wanted to be friends with one of the other couples and did her utmost to freeze everyone else out, especially me even though we'd been friends for a long time (the woman she desperately wanted to be friends with is my closest friend). She especially wanted to be friends with this couple with the most money. Unfortunately for them, this couple are lovely and could see what was going on and put a stop to it. This other woman said that she felt slighted and basically acted completely batshit about the whole thing. It was totally schoolgirl and unlike anything I've ever encountered as an adult. I hope I never do again, you are better off out of it.

AyUpMiDuck · 30/05/2017 21:43

Classic sociopath behaviour from DW2. If they can't control you they will make everyone dislike you; This is sometimes disguised as concern but designed to belittle you and cast doubt on your sanity e.g: saying "poor Mummymums, she is really struggling to.... I really feel sorry for her... she is acting strangely...." Their own spouse is usually the one who enables them to continue their bad behaviour. In my experience, sociopaths can't change because they don't care about other people's feelings. No empathy.

ToastDemon · 30/05/2017 21:43

What a rude message she sent you. Arrogant woman.

HappyAxolotl · 30/05/2017 21:45

I agree with what others are saying: anyone who hadn't knowingly done you a bad turn wouldn't think your meme (which was pretty mild and very vague) applied to them, as why would it?

Sorry you've had this pulled on you at such a bad time. See, real mates would be trying to support you now not kicking off. Best that can be said is that you now know they are snakes and can stop wasting energy on them.

Are you still in touch with 3 & 4 at all? It would be very interesting to hear their side of the story!

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 21:48

Yes HarrySnotter, I'm like that, I don't like leaving anyone out.
To be fair, although this is all focused on DW of family 2, neither of the families have made any attempt to see us in 8 months. We tried but got nowhere. Hindsight is a wonderful thing Blush

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MooPointCowsOpinion · 30/05/2017 21:49

After a similar situation in a friendship group a few years ago, I decided to completely rise above it and not respond or even talk about the one woman in particular who had been unkind to me. Now I look back and feel happy with how I handled it, and over the years other people have come to the same conclusion as me without me needing to say anything. If I had argued or attacked her I could've lost the moral high ground as it were, even though it was tempting.
I'd mute them on Facebook, or delete, mute or delete on whatsapp, let them stew and sit happy knowing I've done nothing wrong.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 30/05/2017 21:51

Fuck em ! I also agree with inelecto
Suggestion of 'I k ow it's true and you know
It's true '

One sentence - then block and delete

It sounds dramatic but a clean cut is easier and you don't need to see them on facebook
Or WhatsApp any more

And make nicer friends x

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 21:53

Ayup - you're right I think. I can imagine that!
Happy - tbf she doesn't know about the change in my Dad but she knew about last year's blows. I wouldn't tell her as no doubt in her head it might explain my 'deranged' behaviour Hmm
Thank you so much all. It does help.

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gleam · 30/05/2017 21:53

What does the last bit mean - 'think this over'? Confused

londonrach · 30/05/2017 21:55

Agree with op. Just ignore and block. Its the grown up thing to do. Not worth the head space!

PickAChew · 30/05/2017 21:56

The drama makes me glad I'm a bit of a Billy no mates!

Friend 1 is only annoyed because they didn't get to queen bee over you for any longer.

ALittleMop · 30/05/2017 22:00

They can hang out with who they like
But, tbh fuck 'em, they're fickle and not worth the effort

LivLemler · 30/05/2017 22:02

They sound like assholes.

I'm probably on the wrong track here, but her message sounds to me like she's trying to make you see something you've missed. Odds are, that's not it, but maybe have a quick think about whether X could be ill / depressed / pregnant / trying IVF / suddenly on the breadline / know Y&Z are having an affair etc etc etc.

She's probably just a dick though.

NC4T · 30/05/2017 22:05

I couldn't let her get away with thinking she'd told me off I'm afraid. Would have to have the last word. Also I would be steaming furious by now so would write something horrendously bitchy like "yes, I have been thinking it over, for far too long now really. I wondered for ages why we'd been dropped, like family 3 and 4. But then i realised that you go through friends like a dose of salts. And actually, I'm far better off with the lovely friends that I've known for years. Best wishes."

SweetLuck · 30/05/2017 22:09

Thing is, I think that all the replies that have been suggested would just make you sound bothered. Her comment about head in the arse is really crass and ugly, so like you said, leave it at that. Yuck.

MycatsaPirate · 30/05/2017 22:11

I have been treated like this and it's awful. Made a friend not long after moving to this area, had no idea of background or existing or previous friendships but was happy to make any new friends. Met three or four women she was friends with and was happy to socialise with them all, including partners and children.

Then she fell out with two of them and as I wasn't particularly close to those two I had no reason to stay in touch. Then she started what I now see, was playing everyone off against each other.

Long story short was that I cut all ties with her very abruptly after a particularly shitty weekend where she blatantly ignored me, called her children over every time they came near mine and basically isolated me from everyone. About a year later I posted something on FB about the situation and was absolutely inundated with posts and messages from so many people saying she had done the exact same thing with them.

Ironically she had an affair, left her husband and has only two people left in her life apart from her kids and mum. Everyone has ditched her. She is two faced and about as manipulative as they come. Her husband is a lovely guy and we are still in touch with him.

I am still very good friends with the two women she used to be friends with.

But my god it hurt. I spent three years thinking she was my best friend and I was used and then ditched. Never again will I ever trust anyone like that again. I have no really close friends now, good friends - yes but a really close friend I call daily/every other day and talk about everything and anything? Nope. I can't ever let myself get that destroyed again.

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