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mummymummums · 30/05/2017 19:19

Some background. About 4 years ago we came into an established friendship group of 4 families, through a shared hobby. There was a 4 family whatsapp group that we were added to. Family 1 and Family 2 are the main people in the story.
Families 3 and 4 got dropped (not by us) pretty soon after our arrival in the group. Family 2 set up a new whatsapp group just for families 1, 2 and us. The reasons they were dropped seemed valid (e.g. Borrowing stuff and returning it trashed regularly, or being given stuff (hobby related) and selling it straight after for significant profit.) We invited Family 3 and 4 to a couple of BBQs at ours but their being part of the group fizzled out and we didn't know them well.
For the last 3 years a friendship has continued with us and families 1 and 2, with BBQs regularly and get togethers. The parents of the DH in family 1 also started coming to events at family 1's house, and family 2 became particularly close to them. Family 1 parents are in 70s but youngish at heart and lovely.
Last year me and DH realised that despite having had family 2 to ours many many times, they have never once invited us to anything. Only us or family 1 ever hosted (we thought), but we became aware that family 2 were hosting, but only inviting family 1 and parents of family 1. It was being done secretly. We then became aware from a slip up by the DH in family 2 that a secret whatsapp had been set up for families 1, 2 and parents of family 1. We still invited families 1 and 2 over, and we went to family 1's house many times and they even joined us for a couple of days on holiday last year (their idea). The DW in family 2 organised an event (hobby related) and invited a few ladies (all of whom I knew) but not me. I felt hurt but realised that for whatever reason she did not welcome us to the group, albeit she was happy to come to ours to be catered for if we asked.
We realised that if we wanted to be friends with family 1, we still needed to invite family 2 to our events, which we did.
Then last September family 2 moved 100 miles away. We were quite pleased really as there was no ignoring that they were never reciprocating, and it was getting irritating.
After they were gone we suggested a few outings to family 1, but all were declined. I think they had valid reasons. Then at Xmas I suggested they gone up with any date to suit them, and come to us for a meal. They seemed keen but never came up with a date, instead telling us that friends were visiting from the US and they wanted to keep themselves free for him.
We pretty much gave up. We knew DW of family 2 was not a fan of ours, but we'd thought that family 1 had become solid friends.
8 months passed since we last saw them and we realised we'd been dropped, like families 3 and 4. But no idea why. We were aware that families 1 and 2 and the parents of family 1 were meeting up, with family 2 staying with the parents but it was being done secretly.
Then last Sunday family 1 posted pics of them all in the pub. So I did something silly that I regret. I posted a meme on Facebook saying "At some point you have to forget those people who have forgotten you." I hate these PA things usually but I decided it mentally drew a line for me. Me and DH (who completely agrees we've been dropped and that family 2 never wanted us) left the whatsapp group that hadn't actually been used since last year anyway.
Next morning I get a very shirty message from DW of family 1. She said she had no idea I felt that way, I shouldn't judge people, she's very busy and her friends accept that, and she feels sick. I replied explaining why we felt that way. I explained that we really liked all of them, but in 3 years had not had a single invite from family 2, and had been actively left out of anything arranged by family 2. I said we felt uncomfortable and acknowledged they had a strong friendship with family 2 so hadn't said anything and carried on including everyone. However, when our last few invites to them (family 1) were declined, we left it, but had realised we were forgotten, having gone from at least 2 get togethers a month to nothing in 8 months. I reiterated that they meant a lot to us.
The reply I got was so upsetting. She said:
"Oh my god Mummy. Get your bloody head out of your arse. Think this over!"
WIBU to try to explain? I'm so cross with myself for bothering. I can see this is what they do, dropping people, but she seems to be denying that we were dropped I think. Seemingly suggesting that friends ought to take whatever crumbs they offer. I always knew that the message from me meant no return, not least as family 1 DW would never entertain the idea that family 2 DW had excluded us. But 3 years, multiple events hosted by us, not a single one back, I surely didn't imagine it?? And 8 months of no contact surely isn't normal when you were seeing people all the time??
What did I do? I feel shocked and keep replaying it.
I do appreciate that people can choose to be friends with whoever they want, and that often we won't be included in everything. But we haven't been included in a single thing for 8 months.
Please don't flame me for the meme. I realise I was BU on that.
I think the right thing to do is not reply now, no one will ever see it from our point of view. I reality checked with DH before posting anything as he's the most level headed person I know and he can't understand the reaction about my arse and head either.
Please anyone tell me where I went wrong (other than the meme)

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noova61 · 30/05/2017 20:08

Msqueen...Yes they were and are arseoles..... Hubby thankfully is doing great, its taken a year but hes ok.

Waltermittythesequel · 30/05/2017 20:11

If they removed themselves from the WhatsApp group at the same time as the meme, it would be fairly obvious wouldn't it??

user1470064958 · 30/05/2017 20:13

The sound dreadful and not "friends" at all!! you are well rid of her!!

TupperwareTat · 30/05/2017 20:18

What does she want you to think over?

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 20:19

Thank you everyone.
Noova - that's horrible! My experience pales compared to that. Flowers
The hobby is cycling and the event was a ladies night ride sportive.
I didn't happily watch families 3 and 4 get dropped - I invited both round after the 'dropping' but family 4 didn't reply and family 3 came. I've never fully lost contact with them but we're not close.
I can honestly say at nearly 50 I've never posted a meme before and I very much doubt I will again. I just guess I was sending a message.
Really interested that people think I was brave - when family 1 DW got in touch I kind of felt I owed an explanation. I do appreciate that what family 2 did was not family 1s problem but I was trying to explain why we felt forgotten all round. I thought she wanted to know. However I can see now that the explanation was a BAD idea as no doubt it's been sent round the whole group who no doubt have diagnosed me with some sort of paranoia. As we were already dropped the explanation was unnecessary, as was the meme. A form of closure I guess as they did mean a lot to us and we had a lot of fun together but it's all soured beyond belief.
The whatsapp group was a secret as it slipped out by family 2 DH referring to an arrangement on it and the DW nearly had a fit and marched him off hissing at him. It was so obvious! Shock

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TheMysteriousJackelope · 30/05/2017 20:19

Noova I am so sorry. I hope your DH is recovering well. What nasty jerks.

OP I wouldn't bother replying. It does sting.

Similar situation here, but its my DC that have been dropped. I organized all kinds of things so they could keep up with their friends from elementary school. People either didn't come or just didn't turn up without letting us know first. I stopped organizing stuff after a while as it was pointless. When I do run across the parents it's all 'Oh, we miss you guys' (Phone works two ways bitch), or 'I've been so busy' (Ma'am if you've been so busy for three years you don't have five minutes to organize our DDs meeting up in the local coffee shop for a drink then you'd not be wearing clean clothes, make up, and look reasonably well nourished). Pisses me right off because this effects my children. Naturally I say nothing, because what would be the point? You can't force people to be your friend, otherwise Michelle Obama would be coming to my barbeque on Saturday.

I guess next time when you see people drop other people like hot potatoes you'll know that it will be your turn eventually, it might just take a few years Sad for you.

snowflake25 · 30/05/2017 20:19

You won't like this...but the writing was on the wall with family 3&4.
It was only a matter of time before you were next on the list...
Some people like to play mind games and have very sad lives, this is their form of entertainment. Mummy versus Daddy.

The ONLY thing you can do is rise above it, and spend your time and energy on meaningful relationships with other friends. These people are NOT friends, they never were.

Take the lesson and be discerning about your friends in future. Never message or reply again. I am sure their conscience may well lead them to contacting you again in the future, do not reply whatever you do, you do not need poisonous toxic people like this in your life. Well rid.

Hissy · 30/05/2017 20:19

CraicDealer has it for me.

Fuck em! They are as pathetic as they are shit friends

LittleBeautyBelle · 30/05/2017 20:19

I would bet money that dw from family 2 decided you as the newcomer was getting too chummy with dw from family 1 and she didn't like it and started insinuating or influencing dw from family 1 to not think well of you. That would explain everyone's behavior (I think). That would explain dw1's text to you as if she were annoyed at you. She's already heard a different version of you from the sly dw of family 2. I think you said dw of family 2 is the one who is always meddling and orchestrating the dropping of families and WhatsApp groups and she's the one who started disdaining you. Am I right? Wife 2 thinks she is the center of the group, you got too "liked" by family 1 so you had to go.
Unfortunately, wife 1 fell for the con. None of them were true friends to begin with! And, yes, what is the hobby???

bimbobaggins · 30/05/2017 20:21

You sound well rid . I can understand why you'd be upset but as they'd done it before to other "friends " I don't know why you are surprised.
Try not to dwell on it too much.

user1489675144 · 30/05/2017 20:23

You sound really nice OP, family 1 and 2 sound like they deserve each other - forget them both - you really don't need people like that.
You tried to explain and she sent a very childish reply - ignore her from now onwards
There are other people out there - the other family? Move on and enjoy your life. Best wishes

LittleBeautyBelle · 30/05/2017 20:24

X post, didn't realize you already posted that the hobby was cycling.

After reading your latest, it confirms for me that it is wife 2 that orchestrated all of this. She got rid of 3 and 4 for the same reason she got rid of you. Tell me, is there something about wife 1 that is special in some way, her status or her job or wealth or connections, something that would make wife 2 want to use wife 1 to elevate herself (wife 2) socially and to serve her own agendas?

Aeroflotgirl · 30/05/2017 20:26

Good on you, I think she was upset about her being called out, the truth hurts. You did nothing wrong, they were not the friends you thought they were. Speaking to them, now you can mentally move on, I would delete them all from Facebook, and be shot of them.

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 20:30

Yes - our leaving from the whatsapp group was a clue the meme was about them but as the group hadn't been used since last year I didn't think they'd see that. They obviously did though.
Yes, I'd like to know what I'm meant to think over - but I'm not brave today and really can't face another nasty message. I'm quite fragile - she has no idea of this as it's not relevant. But a decision was taken to withdraw my Dad's medication today - he has a progressive illness, although his end isn't necessarily imminent. She knows he's very unwell and also that my DH lost his job suddenly last year a week before the last time we saw them (although things turned out well eventually earlier this year).
So being dropped was extra hurtful at a tough time, but also not their problem. I'd never have done the meme or the explanation if I knew the difficulties today would bring as I don't want more conflict.
I know it seems trite to worry about friends amidst my Dad's situation as I'm very close to him. It's a distraction from a worse situation I guess!

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Italiangreyhound · 30/05/2017 20:30

The very fact you are asking the question of whether you destroyed this messy power play shows what a shit job these two horrible grubby little families have done.

Reply, don't reply. Your choice But as quick as you can realise they are meanies and you kind hospitality would be best placed on nice people.

I'd also block them on Facebook. They sound vile. Sorry.

"I should have gone quietly. Ashamed at meme"

FUCK THAT! You do not need to go quietly, they fell out of friendship with you, they didn't say so, I can understand that, (generally) but when called out she should have said Sorry, I guess we just drifted apart. But she chose to go on the offensive. Se sounds horrible.

PoorYorick "Don't post PA crap on Facebook if you sincerely don't want the people you hate to see it and respond to it." What are you talking about! No one hates another person for a thing they post on Facebook if they have been friends for years!!! The Facebook thing was a very poor excuse. Do not give it any credence.

Italiangreyhound · 30/05/2017 20:37

MargotLovedTom "As pp said, you saw how they ditched families 3 & 4 so it can't be a massive surprise that they'd do it to you as well." That is not true at all. She joined a group and two people were ditched from the group for a reason. The OP as the newcomer may not have been aware of the depth of anything. It seems it was a massive surprise.

Waltermittythesequel I am guessing the OP felt at the time that if 1 and 2 want to ditch two people from a group she has only just joined it was none of her business. It is easy to look back and join the dots. OP started her post with it, she has joined the dots now, but may not have at the time.

FakePlasticTeaLeaves "Tell her you can't get your head in your arse as unlike her, you have a backbone." Perfect.

i certainly would not be wishing them well, they sound mean.

LittleBeautyBelle · 30/05/2017 20:39

You didn't do anything wrong, even the FB meme. Good grief, after three years of wife2 playing mind games, you vented a teeny tiny bit with a very vague meme and then removed yourself from their old group. So what?! Agree that you should block them from everything and don't have anything more to do with them. If you want to send a final reply, nothing wrong with that. Our of curiosity, is what I suggested above what possibly happened? That wife 2 orchestrated this whole thing? She didn't like you infringing on "her" terroritory of getting chummy with wife 1 who she's always had under her thumb to serve her own agenda...and does wife 1 have something useful that makes wife 2 want to control who she is friends with?

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 20:39

Yes Littlebeauty - your theory echoes mine. I felt DW of family 2 felt we got too close for her liking. Family 2 are the only family without DC (by choice), they're a couple. Our children got on well (family 1 and ours).
Yes DW of family 1 has a good job but it's of no benefit to DW of family 2.

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eddielizzard · 30/05/2017 20:40

i would ignore although I love FakePlasticTeaLeaves reply, and i'd be tempted to send that and block. awful behaviour, that's not how you treat friends, hence they were just a chimera. not really friends.

PuppyMonkey · 30/05/2017 20:40

I would be tempted to just text back one more message in response to her last one to you:

"lol" Grin

Giddyaunt18 · 30/05/2017 20:41

It's a shame. If there's nothing obvious you or DH have done and she can't tell you then I think they are not the people you thought they were. Of course you shouldn't have posted on FB but you know that already. Move on now knowing it's not you , it's them. Flowers

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/05/2017 20:42

"If she didn't think she had done anything wrong, she wouldn't have seen your meme as a slight."

^^ This. She knows she's an arse, and she doesn't like that you know it too. You're well shot of those two families.

mummymummums · 30/05/2017 20:45

Thank you Italian! You're spot on.
Little Beauty - oddly DW2 seems extraordinarily keen on family 1 DH's parents - I think she wanted to join the family. She cannot do enough of them, even catering their party for free after meeting them twice at big effort (this is not her job by the way). I assume it was to ingratiate herself (whilst not reciprocating any of the multiple invites from us in last few years!)

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LittleBeautyBelle · 30/05/2017 20:47

Ah...w2 is a manipulator no doubt and w1 is safely under her thumb.

Most people have no idea they're being manipulated, the manipulator will influence them to not like whoever the manipulator wants to hurt for whatever weird reasons. Pit people against whoever the target is, that is the game.

BewareOfDragons · 30/05/2017 20:47

Agree with those that pointed out she recognized herself in your meme. She didn't like being called out on her behaviour.

The friendship was all over, OP. You didn't do anything wrong. Some people are just mean.

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