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To feel the faint stirrings of hope of a Labour victory?

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KentMum2008 · 29/05/2017 22:33

Just that really? We all thought it was a done deal, T May was going to win by a landslide and we'd be crippled by another 5 years of Tory rule.

Fast forward a few weeks and a Labour victory doesn't seem like such a long shot.

AIBU to feel optimistic that Labour genuinely have a fighting chance? At the very, very least it might result in no overall majority, but the ultimate dream of a Labour govt, run by a true socialist isn't as impossible as previously though.

JC4PM!

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Killdora · 30/05/2017 00:22

Well all I can reassure you is that JC won over one lifelong Tory voter tonight.

DonaldStott · 30/05/2017 00:30

Wow killdora I really hope a lot of tory voters feel the same

Benedikte2 · 30/05/2017 00:34

Once elected TM will feel she has the country behind her and I hate to think the mess the country will end up in. We're rushing back to Victorian times when it comes to the yawning gap between the privileged few and the rest. And it won't be the governing classes who will suffer from a disastrous Brexit etc.
Divorced from Europe we'll be an off shore island of very little import and becoming increasingly poor and misgoverned. When civil unrest breaks out eventually then we'll lose what civil rights we have left.
If anyone can lift my depression I'll be delighted

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KentMum2008 · 30/05/2017 00:39

I honestly think if the Tories could get away with re-opening workhouses, they would.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 30/05/2017 00:47

But Jeremy Corbyn simply can't be PM. Even Labour people realise this

I'm a Labour party member. I first voted in 1979 and kept faith with Labour through the Foot and Kinnock years. I did not vote for Corbyn as leader and I will not be voting Labour on 8 June.

He would be an utter disaster as PM.

DonaldStott · 30/05/2017 00:48

Why lass?

Killdora · 30/05/2017 00:55

I'd read and seen Corbyn in the news before, and totally bought in to the 'unelectable, can never be a leader' talk. Argued on here for the tories (even ukip at one point) too.

But actually watching him tonight, he totally won me over.

You could really see that he cared. He has some views I really don't agree with but he demonstrated that he will compromise (the manifesto) and listen to others. He made so much sense.

I've been so used to seeing the shiny pretend people that it was quite a shock seeing a human being on there Grin

I scoffed before but he really had been misrepresented in the media.

Leanback · 30/05/2017 01:00

I think a lot of people bought in to the 'corbyn is unelectable' spiel without ever actually listening to him speak/debate killdora

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 30/05/2017 01:01

He's clueless. He has never held any cabinet post. He comes across as spoilt, petulant , tetchy , arrogant and misogynistic. He surrounds himself with idiots like Abbott and McConnell.

He will refuse to co-operate with the other unionist parties if we are dragged into another independence referendum.

Where the hell does he think the money will come from for renationalisations?

He reminds me of the tedious members of the Socialist Workers Party who used to bore on when I was at university in the late 70s, early 80s.

ComingUpTrumps · 30/05/2017 01:02

*You could really see that he cared. He has some views I really don't agree with but he demonstrated that he will compromise (the manifesto) and listen to others. He made so much sense.

I've been so used to seeing the shiny pretend people that it was quite a shock seeing a human being on there grin

I scoffed before but he really had been misrepresented in the media.*

This. I feel exactly the same. You literally took the words right out of my mouth Kill. I normally vote Lib Dem, but will be voting Labour for this election.

ComingUpTrumps · 30/05/2017 01:03

Sorry that was a bold fail Blush I meant to quote what Kill said about Jeremy Corbyn.

ComingUpTrumps · 30/05/2017 01:11

Lass I hope this doesn't sound rude - this is a genuine question, if you don't mind me asking. Why are you still a member of the Labour Party if you don't want to vote for Jeremy Corbyn? The membership fee that you pay will help him in part to fund his leadership campaign, after all.

And in terms of Corbyn never having held a cabinet post, Tim Farron hasn't ever held one either. And Theresa May's work as Home Secretary has been extremely controversial (although I am aware that she has also held other positions in the Shadow Cabinet, and was also Minister for Women and Equalities before 2012).

I know it's only one of the reasons that you give in your post above, but I don't think it's very wise or fair to dismiss Corbyn based on the fact that he's never held a cabinet position. Yes, he may not be liked, but he's an extremely experienced and able politician.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 30/05/2017 01:21

Why are you still a member of the Labour Party if you don't want to vote for Jeremy Corbyn?

I remained a member to vote against him as leader. The vast majority of the Parliamentary party don't want him either.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 30/05/2017 01:23

Yes, he may not be liked, but he's an extremely experienced and able politician

Really? No one outside his constituency had even heard of him.

SovietKitsch · 30/05/2017 01:23

This GE will prove to be a disaster for Britain because the Tories will get back in, and all it has done is clearly demonstrate to Europe how fucking incapable May is - not what we need when trying to negotiate our way out of Europe.

I was for remain, but now we're going, I'd like the best possible person to negotiate for us. If it were Keir Starmer (QC!) I would feel vaguely hopefully, I mean he's actually qualified in the art of negotiation...

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 30/05/2017 01:51

The membership fee that you pay will help him in part to fund his leadership campaign, after all

I pay upfront annually and renewed it to make sure I could vote against him as leader. The membership fees can't be used by him personally. There is no point in my handing my membership back now although I won't renew it again.

gluteustothemaximus · 30/05/2017 02:18

It's been nice having this feeling of hope. Haven't felt this way for a long long time. That's sad.

I will be voting for the most vulnerable. The disabled. The NHS. I am voting Labour.

BoysofMelody · 30/05/2017 02:38

I hope this doesn't sound rude - this is a genuine question, if you don't mind me asking. Why are you still a member of the Labour Party if you don't want to vote for Jeremy Corbyn?

Corbyn and his supporters represent just one strand of opinion in the broad church that is Labour party and the wider Labour movement: I will be voting Labour despite, not because of Corbyn. It would be like stopping supporting my football club because I don't like the manager.

Joey7t8 · 30/05/2017 02:40

And yet the Tories keep borrowing heavily and their beloved deficit keeps growing - does anyone know where the hell all that money has been going?

The defecit was 100 billion in 2010; it's been steadily decreasing since and will be 17 billion in 2017.

Tax income has also increased significantly in that time and is now £100 billion more (20% increase).

annandale · 30/05/2017 02:59

The recent Labour surge in the polls means very little IMO. Corbyn is clearly a campaigning animal and it's nice to see him in his element. I don't think he is a governing animal. I also think it is ludicrous to suggest that only leftwingers care about people, though admittedly I wouldn't vote tory if you paid me. I still think the money has to come from somewhere, though I would much rather have higher taxes than unelected billionaires calling the shots.

I'm voting tactically and hoping against hope for some kind of coalition.

PumaLeopard · 30/05/2017 03:26

Teresa May is not a strong negotiator. She cannot handle Paxman, refused to go head to head with Jeremy Corbyn, yet is trying to convince people she will be great at negotiating brexit. Hmm

I was very impressed with Corbyn. My vote will be firmly labour. I work for the NHS and tories are busy dismantling it. If tories win, good health care and education will be a privilege for the wealthy only.

BitchQueen90 · 30/05/2017 06:15

I'm voting Labour but I unfortunately think May will still win although Corbyn has had a strong campaign and he has definitely won over a few doubters.

The thing is, the people who could realistically swing the votes are the people who are least likely to vote. The 18-25s, where 80% support Labour according to recent polls. Only 57% of that age bracket have said they will definitely vote.

MyOtherProfile · 30/05/2017 06:15

I'm a 'high earner' and I'd be much more likely to leave the country if TM gets in. I like the idea of people having health care, education and social care that's free at the point of delivery. It's kinda fundamental to a decent society in one of the richest countries of the world.
@christinarosetti sorry if I've misunderstood your post but it looks like you're saying you believe we should invest in the nhs, social care and education and yet you would move abroad and take your taxes with you?

FanjoForTheMammaries · 30/05/2017 06:20

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theculture · 30/05/2017 06:27

I wish YWNBU but there is an interesting view by pollsters that people are less likely to admit voting Tory as it sounds mean but do it in the ballot box so I reckon the labour improvement isn't as big as polled Sad

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