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AIBU?

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Neighbours kid!

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 01:51

Right, I've just stormed downstairs to the flat below ours and screamed at them after 3 years of them being a total nightmare culminating in one foul-mouthed fury!
They have two children (son 5 and daughter 7).
They have NO routine - the children seem to be allowed to run riot in the flat no matter what time it is - 6am or 1am! They never seem to take the children out, when the sun is shining they shove them on the balcony where the kids then scream and shout constantly (i don't mean general children playing noise by the way - I mean FULL ON screeching and screaming). They don't discipline the son AT ALL - I've watched him throw food all over the communal areas of the building whilst the mum simply walks on. Or when he is screaming she just quietly goes "shh shh" to which he just yells and screeches over.
The mum takes them out at about 9pm at night and returns at 1am - just now they arrived home, kids shouting and screaming in the communal stairway for everyone to hear. They then slam doors downstairs, shouting and screaming commences. It has been like this for 3 YEARS!!!
We have spoken to their landlord - says he doesn't have any reason to take matters further which is fair enough (i suppose).
In the first year I actually befriended the mum and felt very sorry for her - she is clearly struggling to discipline and parent her own children. Dad seems useless by all accounts. I tried asking politely that they keep their windows and doors shut if the kids are screaming as their windows are only a matter of feet from ours and the sound travels so easily. They said they would. They don't!!
It's been so warm that I have to sleep with windows open but they are so loud it just wakes us up.
My OH went down around a year ago and had a more stern word about how it wasn't acceptable anymore and something has to change - we then had a visit from their Health Visitor stating that they'd complained that WE were harassing THEM!!! We were gobsmacked and explained that we actually have concerns that they aren't managing very well and that we constantly hear screaming and banging from the flat. -Just to give some context - we never hear anything from any other flat above us or to either side-
The HV seemed to understand and asked us to call if we have any other worries, which I have done a couple of time over the last 6 months - she doesn't put seatbelts on her kids when in the car for example, amongst other things.
Anyway - they came home tonight banging and screaming away at 1am as always and I just saw red. I went down and made it clear that I was at breaking point and that they were making my life hell. And low ad behold - not a peep out of them now - so they CAN shut the kids up when needed. So why don't they do this anyway when it's 1am and people around them are sleeping?!?!
I guess I was going to ask AIBU but after reading it back I don't think I am.
What I would like to ask though is what the hell can I do?? I don't think the children are being abused so can't exactly contact SS, the HV can't do a great deal either and they aren't breaking any laws (are they?!)
Moving isn't an option for us for another 18 months - 2years. But I can't live like this anymore?!?!

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 13:13

hmm - when I've called the HV twice she has just said she can't really discuss actual details due to confidentiality which I totally understand. So the next natural step is to take it further I think after reading all the comments.
I wasn't suggesting that every family with kids should live in an apartment (we're due to be in that situation in a few months ourselves), but maybe if the kids were taken to the park or friends in the day to release some energy it would help rather than cooped up indoors all day when it's a sunny weekend.

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 13:14

They don't seem to ever have people round, no.

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user1487941567 · 29/05/2017 13:24

I am with you on this. We have terrible neighbours that have only been here for 3 months and when I knocked in an enraged state because their kids had vandalised my house, I was told it wasn't their kids and was making it up because I was a racist. I have them on cctv ffs!

Anyway SS are involved now after an very dangerous situation that occurred and the whole street witnessed. I'd keep a noise diary and send that off to the council as well.

KingLooieCatz · 29/05/2017 13:27

Sounds like you're taking the right steps now.

I'm with the previous poster about the house and garden though. Many families, including ourselves and most of DS school, are quite content in our flats.

GustyParson · 29/05/2017 13:55

As an aside, did someone seriously just suggest that Muslims don't give their kids toys and books???

Spikeyball · 29/05/2017 14:01

If it is severe sn they may not be able to take them to the park or similar. I can't with mine because he won't cope with a park with other people in it and I know other children who also won't cope with that.

TheRealPooTroll · 29/05/2017 14:01

Will have to let my friend know about Muslims not having to buy toys and books. She's got enough for a street full of kids!

hmmwhatatodo · 29/05/2017 14:06

I'm talking about the Muslims who recently came to this country, not the ones brought up here. I'm just sharing my experiences to say it's isn't out of the ordinary to find very few books and toys rather than it being a sign of intended neglect.

SnickersWasAHorse · 29/05/2017 14:07

Lots of Muslims don't have much in the way of toys and children's stuff in the house as they don't seem to see the importance of it

Yes, all muslims don't buy their children books or toys, or talk to them for that matter. All of them.

hmmwhatatodo · 29/05/2017 14:10

stop trying to twist what I'm saying snickers.

TheRealPooTroll · 29/05/2017 14:31

Not my experience at all. The ones I know have many aunts and uncles who buy them stuff all the time.
I guess they must all be different like everyone else hey. Who knew? Hmm

windypolar · 29/05/2017 14:33

I think that's a careless thing to say about Muslims and toys/children's things, and not at all true in my experience!

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 14:42

Fanjo - I have lived above them for 3 years. Trust me they don't do enough. I appreciate your situation but as I've lived next to them for all this time, and you haven't, you'll have to trust my judgement on this one.
After I went down last night the screaming stopped, so they CAN quieten their children. And IF they can't do anything then this is what they might need extra help with.

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 14:48

Ha Fanjo - I'm not discussing YOUR situation or any other hypothetical situation that you want to debate. I'm not stupid - I work in healthcare and have worked with mental health and learning disabilities. My partner works with children and my MIL is a pediatric consultant. The mum is CLEARLY struggling. She shuts him out on the balcony and leaves him sat in the carpark and car for his sister to drag him inside. I'll make the referall and see what is done about it. If they tell me they've investigated and there's no concerns then that's fine, but I don't think that'll be the case.

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 14:50

Anyway youve clearly made your mind up. - yes, after hearing MANY other people saying that it is not normal and after writing down all the incidences over the last three years I have come to the decision to escalate the situation as I believe it's for the best. What if I didn't do anything and something happened? People would ask why I haven't done something.

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MissBax · 29/05/2017 14:55

Erm. Right.

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kali110 · 29/05/2017 14:55

lots of Muslims don't have much in the way of toys and children's stuff in the house as they don't seem to see the importance of it
Not my experience either Hmm

windypolar · 29/05/2017 14:55

I agree with you Fanjo, some parts of the OP would jar if stand alone examples; and unless OP is curtain twitching or observing all day, she wouldn't be aware of all their comings and goings and visitors. For me the concern is the regular extremely late night activity, and safety.

MissBax · 29/05/2017 14:56

What would you suggest then? Do nothing? As that's the only other option.

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NeedsAsockamnesty · 29/05/2017 14:59

So you think the health visitor is not doing her job?