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to think this is a new low for Piers Morgan. He's tweeted about Ariana Grande

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Orlantina · 25/05/2017 21:17

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Agreed.
Might have been nice if @ArianaGrande had stayed to do the same.

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God bless The Queen and her kind heart #StayStrongManchester

So basically he said that Ariana Grande should have stayed to meet the victims?

Fucking hell. I can't imagine what Ariana must be going through after what happened.

But no. Piers Morgan has to make his point.

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NoLoveofMine · 26/05/2017 13:59

It's ridiculous to suggest only women have done this (I haven't heard anyone do it at all) and suggests men are heroic and get on with things whilst silly women are over the top and can't function.

RhythmAndStealth · 26/05/2017 14:03

Some people are completely missing a very salient point.

It could actually be very, very harmful for some of the victims for A reminder to appear.

HelsinkiLights I am so sorry your relatives are suffering Flowers. You made the absolutely vital point that your relatives cannot even hear the name at this time. People need to understand that. Thank you for saying it, even though this is a hugely stressful and distressing time for you.

There is no way of definitively knowing who would be badly affected in advance by a visit. Simply saying "Would you like X to visit?" Or "Here's a letter from X?" could be enough to trigger a PTSD flashback. These flashbacks can have severe physical as well as psychological consequences.

It is also worth noting that both the development of PTSD itself, and how well a victim is able to later process any flashbacks, are directly linked to whether the victim has bodily autonomy. So if someone is immobilized, unable to move under their own steam trauma and the consequences of trauma are far more serious. Many of the victims will be at this time effectively totally unable to move about at this time.

There has been a lot of progress in the understanding of PTSD and traumatic brain injury in recent years. A lot of this is due to the development of neuroscience as a discipline and the ability of recent technology e.g. MRI scanners to show what actually takes place in the brain of a traumatized person.

Trauma is a physical injury, not "just" a psychological one. There is actual physical damage to the brain. Not a chemical imbalance, nor some airy fairy notion. An actual physical injury on a microscopic level.

There are a lot of very interesting books in that area. "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel Van Der Kolk is an extremely good place to start. If you have little to no real knowledge of what PTSD or trauma really is, then it's an excellent place to start learning. Some of the opinions stated on here do suggest a gap in knowledge and understanding of this area. That there is a gap in knowledge is not surprising- a lot of the knowledge in this area is very, very recent. Another good source of information is the US Army and the US Veteran's Association.

And it's worth filling that knowledge gap. Everyone here will, at some point, know someone with PTSD.

7-8% of people will experience PTSD at some point in their lifetime- 10% of women and 4% of men
12-20% of armed forces veterans will experience PTSD (the figure varies depending on where and how they see service)
49% of women who are raped develop PTSD- this is thought to account for a lot of the difference between male and female rates of PTSD

It's only just becoming clear to clinician how huge the role of childhood trauma (sexual abuse, terror, physical abuse, neglect) is in later development of many mental health conditions, not just PTSD. (Although there has been anecdotal evidence of this for along time).

This should underline our awareness of the fact that many of the victims are children. Doing the wrong thing for them at this stage in their recovery could not only have devastating consequences now, but could also have very, very far reaching long-term consequences too.

So:

  1. A visit could be severely re-traumatizing for victims and especially child victims. This is compounded by the fact that many victims are so severely injured that they are unable to move at this point.
  2. The person in question is herself a victim and could well be traumatized herself, could develop PTSD herself. This is in addition to things like survivor's guilt.
  3. There are obvious security concerns around visits, especially as the terror threat level is still elevated.
  4. The person in question did not cause this. It is not their fault.
LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 26/05/2017 14:03

Talk about missing the point....

Okay I will re-phrase for the hard of understanding...

Given that there have been plenty of PEOPLE twice her age (and with no connection to the city or the attack) who profess to having been unable to function/go out etc, it seems very mean spirited to be tearing apart a young woman who probably feels guilty amongst other things.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 26/05/2017 14:04

Does it really matter about semantics right now?

bakewelltarty · 26/05/2017 14:14

Computer - I stated that she is in a protected 'bubble'. I meant she is surrounded by advisers from her mgt, record company, handlers, PAs etc etc.

Immediately after the event they swept her up and left the country. I'm sure at that moment in time their priority was Ariana.

Not sure how that could've construed as a 'pretty shitty thing to say'.

ComputerUserNotTrained · 26/05/2017 14:16

Thank you, RhythmAndStealth.

It astonishes me that anyone can think that a visit right now could "literally make [these children's] year", it really does. You don't have to have much or any knowledge of PTSD to think that now really, really isn't the time even if the traumatised children in question are still wearing t-shirts with Ariana's face on Hmm

Lweji · 26/05/2017 14:37

Meanwhile another twat manages to outdo Piers.

Outrage as Milo Yiannopoulos criticises Ariana Grande for being 'pro-Islam' after Manchester attack

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/outrage-milo-yiannopoulos-criticises-ariana-grande-pro-islam/

And if you've never heard of him, good for you.

glitterglitters · 26/05/2017 14:44

I have a feeling poor old Ariana Grande is having some very (misplaced!) guilt at the moment. She's probably in a right old state and doing the whole "if I only ..." what if I..."

Poor girl. Yes she is rich and privileged but at the end of the day her concert was targeted and that's going to make her feel pretty awful I'd imagine. Sad

MommaGee · 26/05/2017 14:52

I saw the dispicable Milo comment but no idea who the idiot is.

She might have been in show biz since she was in nappies and be brand savvy and have alto of paid help to push her career but that isn't the same as emotional maturity and resillience. So actually you're right - her age isn't relevant- Madonna shouldn't be expected to deal with it better then Arianna just because one is old and one is young. But her career doesn't automatically make her more mature than other 23 year Olds who have responsibility for keeping people alive and safe.

And irrespective of all of that, there's no rule book on how to do this right. She was probably put on a plane by her advisers, not sat there booking it herself and making sure she got extra leg room. She's probably being advised to keep offline because of arseholes like Piers an Milo. She's dealing with personal guilt and what ifs. She's not a piece of senseless equiptment to role out for photo ops

PerspicaciaTick · 26/05/2017 16:50

Performing at a concert is physically exhausting, then the attack happened and her world implodes. Do you think she slept on Monday night? or even Tuesday? How well do you think she is functioning this week? What are the chances that she has been medicated to help her sleep, function, breath?

And some people think she should be able to brush her brokeness to one side and give meaningful, strong support to the injured and bereaved?

Orlantina · 26/05/2017 17:10

There are no words to describe Milo. Well, there are but he's a piece of shit.

This is Milo on Channel 4 news

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HelsinkiLights · 26/05/2017 17:11

For those few who think Ariana should be at the hospital visiting, please read RhythmAndStealth's post.
And if you get chance read mine.
Right I'll shut up now but thank you very much Rhythm Flowers

MargotLovedTom1 · 26/05/2017 17:27

I am another one who can't believe ridiculous trite comments like 'it would make the fans so happy, it would make their year.'

Those children have endured the most traumatic event of their lives, and yet a matter of days later you think they'd be all: "Woohooo! Ariana came to visit - never mind that she was a tearful shadow of her usual self, never mind that my mother's dead, I'm gravely injured and life will never be the same - it's made my year, that has."

Lweji · 26/05/2017 17:31

And to add that if I was Ariana and happened to visit anyone in hospital, I'd have done it incognito as a private thing, not in front of cameras, and certainly not to satisfy Piers Morgan or would even want him or people like him know about it.

FFS, she's not even supposed to have information on who the injured are or where to find them. And she shouldn't certainly be getting it just by requesting it.

StarkintheSouth · 26/05/2017 18:15

He's such an opportunist bellend. Whilst I agree it would probably mean the world to the victims, Ariana must be feeling awful too and is probably very scared herself. So judging her like that is wrong. How about be stops being a grief policer and directs that ire to where it's really needed?!

Leanback · 26/05/2017 19:55

She's just made a post on instagram and it was the best thing she could say tbh.

to think this is a new low for Piers Morgan. He's tweeted about Ariana Grande
Orlantina · 26/05/2017 20:11

He's at it again. I bet he thinks he's responsible for what she's just said.

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Orlantina · 26/05/2017 20:14

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Piers Morgan Retweeted Stewart McIntyre
I was bombed by the IRA at Canary Wharf & went back into newsroom with a few staff at midnight to produce a paper.
That count?

Dickhead. I think he's got no actual empathy gene.

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goldface · 26/05/2017 20:21

I just want to thank Rhythm for her post, I really wish Morgan could have the opportunity to read that.
Also whoever called him an opportunistic bellend? I can't find the words to better that.

Lweji · 26/05/2017 20:21

Erm... because that was his job?

Did he go and comfort any victims or did he just report what he saw? That would be interesting to know.

Lweji · 26/05/2017 20:33

BTW, that message may or may not have been written by Ariana. :)
It probably had at the very least some help from her publicists.

Orlantina · 26/05/2017 22:14

He's still going on about it.

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BeeThirtythree · 26/05/2017 23:28

Never been a fan of Piers. His comments,on the 'Muslim Community' and what they should do to root out terrorism, I found asinine! Whole other thread though!

Vile man, seems to have forgotten his past actions as pp have said. How can he judge that poor girl?! Child/adult...whatever you see her as, she probably wanted to be near her family and take time with the host of PR/Security advisors on how to proceed.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 26/05/2017 23:37

And anyone who is that far up Trump's arse is automatically a cunt anyway

MrsJayy · 27/05/2017 00:03

Im not on twitter but if somebody could tweet him to just shushhisface that would be grand

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