to think this is a new low for Piers Morgan. He's tweeted about Ariana Grande

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Might have been nice if @ArianaGrande had stayed to do the same.

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God bless The Queen and her kind heart #StayStrongManchester

So basically he said that Ariana Grande should have stayed to meet the victims?

Fucking hell. I can't imagine what Ariana must be going through after what happened.

But no. Piers Morgan has to make his point.

shes in shock u can tell

morgan just does this for attention an iv just remind him of milly dowler-hes pond scum

bakewelltarty Fri 26-May-17 08:24:22

"She is in a protected little bubble and it looks like that bubble took over and whisked her off with little regard for what they were leaving behind."

Yes. Just like all the other victims. They went home to their families to be looked after.

"It is thanks to the people who love and support her and lost their lives on Monday night that she enjoys the life she has. With money and power does come some responsibility."

Responsibility not to be traumatised after a horrendous incident like this? (are you sure you could live up to that responsibility?) Responsibility to risk triggering other survivors who may be suffering from shock and flashbacks?

I hate to think what you'd say to a policeman or ambulance driver who had to take time off after an experience like this. Actually- no, I don't. I think your response is driven by jealousy of Ariana's money and celebrity and you simply don't see her as an ordinary human being, like the thousands of others who are also in shock after the event. I reckon you think noone with money has the right to have ordinary human responses.

And can I address the post that said parents would blame Ariana! that's utter crap.

The poor parents will always blame themselves for letting their dds go to the concert, for buying the tickets, for taking them there, for not physically being there when their children needed them.

It's totally irrational but believe me they will. For ever. For the rest of their lives.

I detest this man, I don't know why I opened this thread. He's always set to attack, always trying to prove a point that doesn't need making. The morning after it happened he was asking other unharmed audience members how they felt, response of in shock, tired, it's not sunk in yet. Response from him well you may be tired you've got your children with you, others haven't been so lucky ( not an exact quote but words to that affect). What a twat, you've asked them how they feel then gone on to make them feel shit for feeling that way. I'm sure they are well aware how lucky they were to have their children with them the day after they were witness to something so horrific. Grade A twat.

I really don't like Ariana Grande, my nieces love her.
However what her going home is a natural reaction and I don't blame her. Having to face those poor people I'd probably something she just couldn't do right now. I've got every sympathy for what she must be going through right now and the victims and everyone this had affected.
She could really do no right in this circumstance. Say nothing =criticism. Say something = criticism.
Piers is an arse anyway so anything he says is bollocks.

Ronnyhotdog that is unbelievable. I didn't know he said that.

No one is responsible for this atrocity except the bomber and those who assisted him in his mission, it's pretty bizarre that anyone would blame Ariana Grande .

I can kind of see where he is coming from, but he didn't need to say it so publicly. And needs to give her chance to act. It's been 3 days.

She may well do something once everything has calmed down a little. She probably won't have been in a fit state to visit the hospitals, and none of the victims may have been ready or able to handle such a visit so soon.

I can see why she would want to get home and hide away. She had a terrible shock herself and possibly feels some guilt that people died after attending her concert. She needs time too.

Jesus, talk about victim blaming - blaming AG for what happened and saying she has some responsibility to "make things better" is like saying a friend who dragged another friend along to the concert is to blame, that a parent who bought their child a ticket is to blame ...

Just reprehensible

My kids don't listen to pop music, so my knowledge of AG is limited. The only time I hear of her is when my eldest shows me clips of her making scathing remarks to interviewers who've asked misogynistic questions.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that she was targeted deliberately due to her stance on equality, the way she dresses and I'd guess the way she grinds about on stage half naked (that last bit is a guess, I've never watched her perform) and people think that she should have stayed in the city? While the Police are still hunting the bomb maker? Really?

If that was your 23 year old daughter, you'd want her to stay in the city? The city where the maker of the bomb, the people who planned this and their terrorist friends possibly live? Really?

All those saying she should stay, what if this was your child or sister? Hysterical and broken. Would you have told her she had an obligation to stay because they died because they were her fans?
Or wouldyou tell her to get your butt back home where she can be looked after, that this isn't her fault and that its ok to look after herself.

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Completely disagree.
She has no responsibility towards the people affected at her concert.
Nice if she says something, buy she certainly doesn't have to.
Not more than any other victim or person who was there has.

The poor parents will always blame themselves for letting their dds go to the concert, for buying the tickets, for taking them there, for not physically being there when their children needed them.

Good point. We were in a car accident when I was a preteen and we were in the way to my doctors appointment. I felt awful. You blame yourself for things and children there who lost friends and parents may well blame themselves for what happened. She's the last person they're going to want to see if they've lost someone

Someone want to send him a link to this from the telegraph.

A father of three has written an open letter to Ariana Grande after the singer expressed how sorry she was for the terror attack on Monday.
Twenty-two people, including seven children,were killed when suicide bomber Salman Abedi's device exploded in the foyer of the Manchester Arena as thousands of people were leaving after the concert.
Patrick Millsaps, 44, who lives in Georgia, US, decided to write the letter after Grande tweeted after the attack that she was "broken" and "so so sorry".
After sharing it on Twitter, it has been shared more than 13,000 times and liked by pop stars Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Nicki Minaj and Grande herself.
"I am a father of three daughters - ages 13, 12 and 12. So you have been a part of our family for years,” Patrick wrote.
“After reading a tweet you posted on Twitter the other night; I’m afraid I need to set to set you straight girl. So listen up and receive some redneck love from a daddy of daughters.
"You don’t have a dagum thing to apologise for. If some jackass had gotten drunk and killed someone with his car next to your hotel in Manchester, would you feel responsible? If the night before your concert, a tornado hit Manchester and tragically killed several people who were going to your concert; would you feel the need to apologise?
“You see, you are no more responsible for the actions of an insane coward who committed an act in your proximity than you would be for a devastating natural disaster or acts of morons near your hotel.”
MrMillsaps, who is an American film producer, also offered her some advice about how to deal with the tragedy.
"Spend time with your God, your family and your friends who will give you space and support when you need it.
“When you and only when you are ready, on behalf of all the dads who love your… um… whose daughters love your music SING AGAIN.

“Music is the international language of peace. Every time you open your mouth and share that incredible God-given gift to the world, you make this crappy world a little less crappy.
“So there you go my dear, unsolicited advice from a fat dude in Georgia who loves his daughters and appreciates that there are people like you in the world. Take care of you first. Your fans aren’t going anywhere.”
The letter received widespread praise on Twitter. One replied: "Sir, we need more men like you in this world!"
Another said: "This man deserves father of the year award! So sweet, honest and real! We need more people like him in our world!"
MrMillsapslater said he was "humbled" by all the positive comments, but added:"There are some fathers who had their daughters taken from them by evil. Those men are the ones worthy of your respect, love and prayers."

cory did you miss the bit where bake explained that she was married with a child at 23? We should probably defer to her superior grown-upness and lack of bubble

Fuck off Piers Morgan.
My Sister & Nephew were there at the concert.
The concert as it's too difficult for them to say Ariana.
My DD likes Ariana loves her in Victorius & Sam & Cat. Likes to rewatch on Netflix, YouTube or whatever. Has some of her songs downloaded on her IPod. Get played every few days.
We weren't there but we can't watch or listen to Ariana at the moment.
It's too much.
And we feel bad we feel that way as me & DD weren't there.
I thank my lucky stars that Sis & Nephew are alive.
It is not Ariana's fault, so how dare anyone criticise her. Her encore saved lives. Many lives.
I suspect Ariana wakes up each morning & for 5 seconds everything is normal then it hits you just like it does to my Sister & Nephew.

You probably won't ever use this forum Ariana. But if for some strange 1 in a million reason you did become a Mumsnetter & see this thread......Ariana it isn't your fault ever & don't ever ever blame yourself.
Daesh did this not you.

I don't necessarily think Ariana Grande SHOULD have stayed in Manchester, Personally never having been in her shoes I like to think I would have visited my fans in hospital however I cant judge her for not having done so. I don't know if the Eagles of Death Metal visited their fans in hospital after the Bataclan attack either.

Guilt is a funny thing - I had an accident (bad luck, not really anybody's fault) when I was about her age and really struggled with how it had upset the people who were there, despite the fact I was the one injured/in hospital etc.

I think if she's up to writing cards to the people that might be a nice middle ground (and they can open them or not) but on the other hand she must be horribly shocked and feeling awful and if she doesn't want to do anything just stay at home for a bit, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

The Queen knows what to say and do, and also "the Queen visits people affected by..." is a headline the injured people will have seen - it's almost 'normal' under the circumstances (not trying to be insensitive - I just mean it might be easier to understand/process than Ariana being there).

At this point the poor victims would have a stream of people at their door:

The Queen
May
Ariana
The venue owner
The Muslim leaders (all currents)
Manchester Mayor
Their MP
Their MEP
All party leaders
Manchester Police Chief
Head of Scotland Yard
Head of MI5
Head of MI6
Secretary of Defense
Home Secretary.

I think the Queen, and May, is quite enough.

Piers Morgan is one of those people who is good at telling people how they ought to feel and how they ought to behave, without ever having, as far as I know, been in any situation that was traumatising or demanding courage.

Not so long ago he said that Lady Gaga was lying about having been raped and having PTSD. That's a terrible thing to accuse someone of.

I used to think he was reprehensible but mildly amusing. Now I just think he's an appalling human being. He thinks Trump is great. What more is there to say, really?

I do think that Ariana Grande visiting the injured in hospital would have probably meant a lot more to them than the Queen though TBH. Which is why I believe she should have gone. But as I said I can understand she may not have felt able to and she absolutely has nothing to feel guilty about.

Piers Morgan makes Trump look all cuddly & lovely. And I'm not a Trump supporter, far from it.

For goodness sake all you "Ooh Ariana should have gone to visit the hospital" posters. Are you for real?
My Sis wouldn't want to see Ariana at this moment in time, it's just a reminder & my Sis is one of the lucky ones.

The other thing to remember is that the most important thing to focus on is the people who have been injured. Maybe they wouldn't want a media circus around their bedside? Remember too - the Queen is a pro. She must be about the most practised person in the world (sadly) at this sort of thing. Would you know what to say to a young stranger who has come perilously close to being blown to smithereens? I'm almost twice Ariana Grande's age and I'm not sure I would. Why should she? It would make nice photos for the people desperate to sell papers, sure, but that's a wholly different thing.

Ffs she would have been told by the anti terror police she couldn't go. She's a target.

Have you not understood that in these situations you can't just go 'oh I think I will visit the hospital' it will be in lock down from reporters and would he terrorists alike. Her visiting could have put those children abs the hospital staff in more danger.

Flip you are right the guilt you feel as a parent never goes and never diminishes.