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To not have children because of our dead parents?

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malfish11 · 24/05/2017 13:43

DH (recently got married) doesn't have any parents, they both died when he was 17.

My mum is dead and my dad has nothing to do with us really.

All I hear from people is that when you have children you need support. so is it unreasonable NOT to have children as we just won't have this and DH is out of the house 14 hours at a time when at work.

OP posts:
Kleinzeit · 25/05/2017 20:00

it's about not having a child you struggle to love or cope with and I won't know till they are here and then it's too late can No one understand that?

Yes, most of us do understand. And we're concerned about you. Of course you could have a baby if you really want one now, as you've seen here people do make that work if they are keen, but right now you still sound so unsure it's what you really want. And YANBU to wait a while, wanting a baby sometime doesn't have to mean starting a baby right now. There is so much time and you would both be more ready after a wait and time to prepare yourselves. I'd say that the less willing your DH is to wait for your sake, the less ready he is to be a father.

Anyway we'll be trying from next month see what happens I suppose

Um. Earlier in the thread you said you were very happy now. Would I be right in guessing that your DH is the main source of happiness in your life, and so the one thing you can't do is go against what he wants because that might make him angry or unhappy with you? So if he wants to start a family right now, that's what happens, however many worries and reservations you may have?

Bobbi73 · 25/05/2017 20:05

We have no family support and my man works away for long periods. I have created my own support system with other parents. I met lots of mum friends in the park /baby groups etc and now have a great bunch of school mum friends too. No-one is saying that it wouldn't be easier to have fantastic grandparents who take the kids for the weekend etc. but many people don't and it's fine. Good luck with whatever decision you make. 😊

PainCanBeBeautiful · 25/05/2017 20:05

notyoda I agree, but sometimes I'm that person that doesn't read the full post Blush
I always say I haven't though. As if that protects me lol

deedeegee · 25/05/2017 20:08

YABU
You either want children or you don't! It's not up to your parents to provide support- they are your responsibility!
My ex husband's parents were dead as was my mother and my father possibly babysat my daughter 5 or 6 times in her childhood and that was when I became a single parent. Yes, I felt jealous of other Mums who had the physical and emotional support but I just had to get on with it. Looking back my parents had no support either.
All in all- not a reason not to have children, and again I go back to my first comment- this would not be an issue if you really wanted a child!!

PainCanBeBeautiful · 25/05/2017 20:08

I meant thread, not post.

witchkat72 · 25/05/2017 20:09

We have no support network with our dc, both mine and dh's parents are dead, my family live hundreds of miles away, we manage ok, I am primary parent as I'm a sahm and dh works long hours.
You'll be fine x

NeilYoungCrazyHorse · 25/05/2017 20:13

I have zero support.

My mum died when I was 17. I have no sisters, aunties or Grandparents. My Dad is remarried and spends all his time with his new family. My MIL lives in another country. If I need help I have to pay for it. The upside of this is that DH, DC x 2 and I are incredibly close knit and have had zero interference in our parenting. I miss my mum terribly and would move mountains to have her back but I do have to admit that I thank god every day for not having any dramas with relatives over my DC.

Ticketybootoo · 25/05/2017 20:22

We have 2 and have virtually no support . I think
if you want children it would be sad not to have them for this reason.
Sometimes I get a little sad at not having help as many people around us do but we have managed and eldest is 14 , youngest 9 .

FairyFlake45 · 25/05/2017 20:26

A lot of people don't have any support from their parents for many reasons. Mine is just because we don't live any where near them.
If you really want a child you will have one. If you don't, then don't. Grandparents are a luxury not a necessity and day to day support, if you really need it, can come from friends and other Mums. Personally, I enjoyed doing it all myself.

FeelingFuzzy · 25/05/2017 20:34

Can't believe some of the horrible, cruel and thoughtless comments on here.

OP lost her mum at age 14, has a sister and dad she has no contact with and comes on asking for some advice around what is the biggest decision of anyone's life, let alone someone who has been through so much.

People having a go saying she's attention seeking and being pointless because she's said she's going to try for a baby - maybe she was always going to try but because she knows that the time is getting close she's very anxious.

I'm absolutely appalled that people think it's ok to be so nasty. I don't think op that people were being nasty when they suggested counselling etc, I think that's really good advice to be honest because it does sound like you have anxiety (you don't have to know you have anxiety or be unhappy to be anxious, but it can have a massive effect on your mental health especially if not treated with counselling or therapies)

But some comments are really too much, with nasty opinions of oh it's for babysitting purposes and why do you think we do our parents live far away Hmm etc. Can you imagine for just a moment what it's like to grow up without a mother??? Op is thinking what if that happens to her child, of course she is, she lived that experience.

Three days ago there was a terrorist attack where children have been killed and others left without parents. Of course the op is anxious about bringing a child into a world like this, where it sounds like she has already had such a hard time.

Some of the people on here ought to take a long look at themselves and instead of spreading the nastiness and bitterness that is oozing from your posts, how about treating people with a little love and understanding and kindness. Fine, you may not think it's a game changer for you, but everyone has different circumstances and levels of emotion.

Op, I really would suggest speaking to a gp about anxiety before you try for children. Therapy can make a world of difference and will likely help you in many ways, not just with this decision. I would honestly sit tight for a while, there really is no rush. 30 is young too and like others have said, doing training before kids is easier than afterwards. You've got your whole life ahead of you, even if you trained, worked for a year, took say, 8 years out until 1-3 kids were at school, you're still only around 35, with approx 30 years left to do the job you trained for. You would also have the option of part time work and further study when off with the babies. Btw I'm not trying to plan your life Grin just offering another perspective. I tend to think of things very short term and sometimes that affects my decision making and not in a good way.

Good luck with whatever you decide Flowers

noenemee · 25/05/2017 20:38

OP so long as you really want a baby then not having family network is no reason not to.

I had no support and a husband who was away at least all week and often for longer. Sometimes it was easier with the DCs when he wasn't there because I was very organised and had a routine.

PainCanBeBeautiful · 25/05/2017 20:38

I don't think I'm being nasty by saying the op is possibly attention seeking Hmm

basm10178 · 25/05/2017 20:41

My parents are dead but we still have MIL and FIL, though they don't live close and very rarely help with childcare. My parents both passed away after my second child was born, so I did get help from them when DS1 was born and when DD1 was born.

I often feel jealous of friends with parents nearby, but I buddy up with other friends with no local family in a babysitting circle.

Weirdly my parents dying has put me off having a third child. I would feel very sad that they would not get to meet him/her. (Not my only reason for sticking at 2, but it contributes).

If you want kids have them, you will find your own support network, but yes it might be harder for you. And you would need to get your partner to work fewer hours IMHO.

FeelingFuzzy · 25/05/2017 20:41

Really Pain? So do you think that is a nice thing to say? A helpful thing to say?

NameChange30 · 25/05/2017 20:42

I don't think it's nasty to say this thread has been pointless - it has, because the OP asked for advice, got lots of excellent advice, and has chosen to ignore it.

Some of the other comments have been quite harsh though. But mostly that's because people don't read all the OP's posts. Or maybe it's because they do read them and find them baffling.

FeelingFuzzy · 25/05/2017 20:43

Pain is also be interested to hear what you meant by 'your poor child, I'm very sorry for their future?' Was this another comment that "wasn't nasty"?

FeelingFuzzy · 25/05/2017 20:46

Some of the comments have been really harsh AnotherEmma. I thought the advice you gave was really good, but she is just asking for opinions and probably just feeling very confused. I personally don't think it's pointless. She doesn't have a mum to talk to about it. I just feel so sad she's come on here and had some of these really nasty comments thrown at her. She sounds quite vulnerable to me (don't take that as a criticism op I just mean your circumstances) and I just wish people would be nicer and a bit more understanding.

Gingercatsarethebest2017 · 25/05/2017 20:48

Depends what YOU want. If you really want kids you'd manage. I've lived in US away from all family and friends but you make other friends nearby and join baby groups etc. It's not impossible if it's what you really want. X

NameChange30 · 25/05/2017 20:54

Feeling
I do agree with you, I think some comments have been too harsh. I can understand the temptation - it is frustrating when you take the time to post and support the OP and end up feeling it was all for nothing. It doesn't excuse the harshest comments though.

PainCanBeBeautiful · 25/05/2017 20:56

Did you not see all the supportive messages I did give? No? Go back and read them and then get back to me about how nasty I am when I took time out of my day to give advice and for what? SFA another pointless thread that is imo completely attention seeking.

Touchmybum · 25/05/2017 21:10

I could be your mummy malfish - my eldest DD is 3 years younger than you. She is free and single, studying at uni. There's no way she would be ready to have a baby in 3 years' time, any more than I was at 23. I think you sound a bit lost, and no wonder. My BFF lost both of her parents very young and has spent years in therapy dealing with it in later life. I think you need to work out who you are and what you want in your life, before you take such a life-changing decision.

Ignore the naysayers. I get where you are coming from. You have posed this question because you don't have any 'elder lemons' close to you to talk to about it. I lost both my parents within a few months a number of years ago, and more than anything, I miss being able to 'bounce' my parenting issues off them, and their advice. We've no grandparents on the other side either. All of them somewhat unreasonably passed away once we'd had 3 children, some support that! :(

There are people who just know they want children. I didn't even like them all that much in my 20s. I had my first when I was 34. You have loads of time on your side. Don't be rushed into making a decision, as it's clear from your post that you will be the one taking primary responsibility.

Have you ever tried to contact your sister? Hopefully she has got herself sorted out and you might be able to re-establish a relationship?

For what it's worth, I don't think you're ready to have babies yet, but, when you are, I am sure from all you have posted here that you will be just as good a mum as anyone else is. None of us is perfect either! xx

Touchmybum · 25/05/2017 21:13

PS - am sad for both you and your DH; maybe your DH is trying to recreate that family unit that he has been missing since he was 17.... 17, and both parents! My heart goes out to you xx

FeelingFuzzy · 25/05/2017 21:19

Yes pain I've seen your posts, don't really recall any supportive ones? But even if you were, so she doesn't take your advice, that's ok to say horrible things? Maybe take some responsibility for your actions rather than trying to excuse what is undeniably just being mean. It doesn't matter if she doesn't take your advice, no need to have a go.

PainCanBeBeautiful · 25/05/2017 21:31

I'm not bothered about whether she takes my advice or not, im bothered that she hasn't engaged in any of the ideas and advice presented to her.

We aren't going to agree so you have your opinion and I'll have mine.

FeelingFuzzy · 25/05/2017 21:36

Opinions are fine, saying things like "I feel sorry for your future kids" is completely different. It's insulting. It's being mean to someone who is clearly vulnerable. You're absolutely right we won't agree and I honestly have no desire to get into any kind of an argument or anything, I just think if you're honest you'd see some of the things you've put are unnecessarily unkind and hurtful. She lost her mum at 14 for goodness sake. I just wish there was a bit more compassion in the world sometimes and to be honest I'm a lurker usually not a commenter but I felt that some of the comments were so harsh I had to say something. I've said that not though Smile

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