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Holiday tension.... WWYD

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Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 04:16

Right, to set the scene: Me, my DH, DD, MIL and SFIL are here together on holiday. It is actually my in-laws house half way up a mountain in a warm corner of Europe. It has a pool and is pretty idyllic all round. However it is very remote, nothing around for about 30 min drive. No public transport. Dodgy mountainside roads that aren't safe to walk or cycle on. The In-laws have kindly paid for our flights and refuse to take any money for us staying here and eating their food (which they insist on cooking, and they are brilliant cooks). We're very very lucky.

However, the holiday does come with some T's and C's. It is very well-to-do, middle class, civilised etc. It is very pleasant but very... erm... 'controlled' I think is the right word. In fact, the theme of the holiday could well be 'Everything in moderation'. This is slightly at odds with my idea of a holiday which is more 'everything to excess' .... but I didn't pay for this holiday so I'm willing to go with the flow. This is our 5th-ish time out here as a couple/family.

As a background point, MIL has always monitored how much I eat. She literally raises her eyebrows if I go for second helpings because I'm overweight. It grinds me slightly, but is just a foible of hers and for the most part I ignore it and do my best to have some self control so as not to disgust her.

But anyway, here is the issue...

On day 3 after dinner, MIL stands up and states how she cannot understand why DH (my DH that is, not her DH) has to drink so much. She then turns to me and says I'm not much better. She is upset because DH's biological father is/was an alcoholic. She cannot stand people drinking to access. I agree that my alcohol tolerance has 'improved' lately and DH rolls his eyes and says 'I'm on holiday mum'. And that's that. Off she goes to bed. I didn't say more because I was totally stunned by the confrontation and I'm rubbish with thinking on the spot. Plus I had 3 gins inside me.

I must admit I was pretty annoyed at the accusation of drinking too much. I certainly wasn't drunk and the gin I was drinking was bought by us at the airport. Plus I'm nearly 40, so im really not accustomed to somebody monitoring my alcohol consumption. I had a good old rant to my friend via text and decided I'd continue the holiday booze-free so as not to cause any more upset.

The thing is, my only experience of family holidays (pre-meeting my DH) is to spend all day in the pool messing about, eating whatever we like and drinking from about 4/5pm. No rules. Just having a laugh. I appreciate not all families are like this, but this is my default setting for a holiday if you will. So it is an adjustment for me to be so controlled on holiday. But I'm trying to remind myself.... it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday.... and just be greatful.

Yesterday DH, who seems to have fully regressed into a teenager rebillion mode, gets completely shit faced, singing football (?!) chants whilst mooning and dancing around the pool drunk. Eyebrows are raised. MIL is not impressed. We go out for dinner (against my advice) and whilst he goes to the loo MIL asks me why he decided to get so drunk. I explain I'm not sure why, but I think it's an act of defiance. "How very childish" is the response.... and I have to agree.

The atmosphere now is terrible. MIL and DH basically are at loggerheads. DH is in a terrible mood and is not at all fun to be around. Our DD is always a heartbeat away from a tantrum (she's 2) and how I 'parent' her is constantly being watched and critiqued. I just literally can't relax now, and there are 5 days to go. I plan to keep my head down and stay out of the way as much as I can until we go home. But I'm interested to hear... WWYD?

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NotISaidTheWalrus · 18/05/2017 18:31

Which older generation is that? Far more controlled is nonsense, the MIL is probably what...60 odd at most? "They" weren't far more controlled in the 70's and 80's .

RoseandVioletCreams · 18/05/2017 18:34

yes so controlled that the latest group for drinking too much is the baby boomers Confused

HappyFlappy · 18/05/2017 18:34

hardly the MIL being sober and putting up with appalling behaviour on a nightly basis!

Nor does it say the MIL ws drunk - or even tipsy. But I agree that if she wants other people not to drink (especially if her DS may be an addictive personality if his father is) then she and her husband should go on the wagon themselves. If you really think someone has a drink problem, it is very unkind to have alcohol anywhere near them.

eddielizzard · 18/05/2017 18:40

this is awful. i'd keep my head down for this holiday but never ever ever go away with them again. if they ask 'because i don't like being treated like a child.'

yes, generous to give you a holiday, but no-one would treat their guests like this. them having alcohol but you're not allowed?!??!! fuck that!

NavyandWhite · 18/05/2017 18:42

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NeoTrad · 18/05/2017 18:43

It's MIL's house and you are the guests, so you need to meet her standards of civilized behaviour.

eddielizzard · 18/05/2017 18:49

you''re quite right - the mil didn't not allow it. the op asked her dh not to and also isn't out of respect. doesn't seem to be enough to assuage the mil though...

mummy1234321 · 18/05/2017 18:49

About food issue... My father is like this and to be honest I'm never angry with him for that. I understand where it comes from. He is very slim (he is a doctor and has strong beliefs about staying healthy) and I used to be slim too before having children (size 6/8). Now I'm hmm size 8/10 and can't shift any weight, cause I just eat too much. I know my dad is just scared I'll be fat and unhealthy, so his very sincere comments are ok (he never does it in a rude manner).
Maybe your MIL is like this, is she slim or overweight?
It's my personal opinion but I think telling members of family or close friends (not strangers unless you are a health profesional) that they need to do something about their weight is not rude - it is a sign of care. Being overweight or obese is not healthy, why is it so acceptable?

sheepskinshrug · 18/05/2017 18:50

The MIL didn't say no alcohol was allowed though Mil requested son drank no more after his night of excess. She then continued to drink alcohol without offer either her son or her dil a drink - now that is saying alcohol is not allowed! Who would treat guests like that - it is certainly not generous or acceptable.

QuiteLikely5 · 18/05/2017 18:50

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sheepskinshrug · 18/05/2017 18:54

Sorry Mummy but your dad has an issue - if you are a size 8/10 - you are far from having a weight problem. Commenting on someone's weight for most people is not welcome. Say it once if you must and then shut the fuck up!

JulesJules · 18/05/2017 18:55

She is treating the pair of you like naughty children.

Tells you that you can't drink and then she drinks cocktails, wine and port in front of you. She has no problem with alcohol when she is the one drinking it.

Criticises you for what you eat.

Don't go to Cornwall! Tell her being treated like children and having your eating and drinking controlled and monitored is not your idea of a holiday.

sheepskinshrug · 18/05/2017 18:58

It's surprising that given how traumatised your Mil professes to be about her exDH being an alcoholic she continues to drink herself - does she have a bit of a drink problem herself?

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mummy1234321 · 18/05/2017 19:05

Sorry Mummy but your dad has an issue - if you are a size 8/10 - you are far from having a weight problem. Commenting on someone's weight for most people is not welcome. Say it once if you must and then shut the fuck up! - sheepskinshrug

You now nothing about my father and you are very rude.

I don't think you have the power to shut me up and you should work on your manners before you write something else.

expatinscotland · 18/05/2017 19:05

'It's a generation thing. The older generation were far more controlled and I think you have to respect that if you are staying at their house and they paid for it. '

PMSL, which generation is this? My folks are in their 70s and 80s, controlled? It was the 60s and 70s, we used to play 'casino' and 'cocktail hour' as kids. What's idyllic about your MIL watching every bite you eat?

It doesn't matter how scared a parent is about their child, they don't have the right to visit that issue on their children in a controlling manner. That's wrong, no matter how well intentioned.

RoseandVioletCreams · 18/05/2017 19:07

Well I have listened to the same posters on enough Mil threads to know whatever the Mil does - they are absolved in some posters eyes - whether its dominating and judging and belittling their dils like this mil, or rummaging round in dils knickers Confused

RoseandVioletCreams · 18/05/2017 19:09

agree mummy size 8/10 is normal healthy weight.

sheepskinshrug · 18/05/2017 19:09

Mummy I was not telling you to shut up - I said if one really feels the need to tell someone they are gaining weight at a rate which they have concerns about - they should say it once and then shut up....it's rude the first time imo but some people seem to think that you can nag someone skinny - they are wrong!

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33goingon64 · 18/05/2017 19:30

My family are a little like your ILs - myself and DS and DB are used to it but our spouses are all from the 'holidays are about excess' camp. It's not a matter of who's right and wrong it's just a difference in background. When we stay in my family holiday home there is always a feeling that we have to play by their rules and that DM wants to control things to a certain extent. It's all fun (and there is no shortage of good food or alcohol) but there's definitely no 'excess'. No-one stuffs themselves or gets rat-arsed. I think over the years I have come to realise that it's probably healthy to have a bit of both excess and restraint in your life to help you find the route you want to take with your own family. In the meantime, enjoy the bits you like (not having to pay, presumably some childcare, nice food and drink if not masses of it) and next time weigh up the pros and cons before accepting another offer of a holiday with them.

owenjonesismyhero · 18/05/2017 19:55

Its not a 'free holiday' at all - you are just paying in another way.

I'd like the holiday you like too. Your MIL sounds awful with her criticisms. Can you get her to spend some quality time with your DD?

MajorClanger123 · 18/05/2017 20:06

My inlaws live in France and for the past 8 years we have been visiting them as part of our annual holidays.

Problem is, DH and MIL often revert to their mother-child relationship whilst we're staying (MIL is 73, DH is 42) so over the years, holidays have become increasingly strained and stressful and we've pretty much stopped going unless we're passing them on the way down to Spain / south of France. We then only stay a night or two.

I don't know what it is, but MIL (who is delightful when she visits us in the UK) comes over all matriarchal when we stay there - the kids don't behave to her standards (it's usually my fault), poor FIL is a "bastard" because he 'dragged her there to live against his will' and eventually my MIL ends up in a vile mood with every single one of us. Nothing can reach her very high expectations and so she is always disappointed with us / her grandchildren etc. We usually cope by ignoring her / enjoying copious amounts of French wine, but it's a shame as we're visiting less and less.

Anyway, I'm waffling - no real solution other than I don't think it's uncommon. I hope you manage to enjoy the rest of your holiday Wine

Cool1Cat · 18/05/2017 20:25

My father was an alcoholic and believe me very young children are affected by drunk parents, yes, I mean your drinking too OP, because if you are drunk you are not emotionally available to your child, and they find drunkenness very frightening.
Children are VERY damaged by this and you are not safe to be caring for DD. Please review your drinking both of you. I understand mil point of view, not nice for you I know, but neither is the damage that being married to an alcoholic does. Regular drinking of a bottle of wine or less daily is alcoholism despite the denials of the middle classes. Do right by your child, please, both of you. Kids know and they don't forget.you can't replace the lost love later.

NotISaidTheWalrus · 18/05/2017 20:26

What a load of nonsense. She wasn't even drunk, don't be so condescending.