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Holiday tension.... WWYD

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Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 04:16

Right, to set the scene: Me, my DH, DD, MIL and SFIL are here together on holiday. It is actually my in-laws house half way up a mountain in a warm corner of Europe. It has a pool and is pretty idyllic all round. However it is very remote, nothing around for about 30 min drive. No public transport. Dodgy mountainside roads that aren't safe to walk or cycle on. The In-laws have kindly paid for our flights and refuse to take any money for us staying here and eating their food (which they insist on cooking, and they are brilliant cooks). We're very very lucky.

However, the holiday does come with some T's and C's. It is very well-to-do, middle class, civilised etc. It is very pleasant but very... erm... 'controlled' I think is the right word. In fact, the theme of the holiday could well be 'Everything in moderation'. This is slightly at odds with my idea of a holiday which is more 'everything to excess' .... but I didn't pay for this holiday so I'm willing to go with the flow. This is our 5th-ish time out here as a couple/family.

As a background point, MIL has always monitored how much I eat. She literally raises her eyebrows if I go for second helpings because I'm overweight. It grinds me slightly, but is just a foible of hers and for the most part I ignore it and do my best to have some self control so as not to disgust her.

But anyway, here is the issue...

On day 3 after dinner, MIL stands up and states how she cannot understand why DH (my DH that is, not her DH) has to drink so much. She then turns to me and says I'm not much better. She is upset because DH's biological father is/was an alcoholic. She cannot stand people drinking to access. I agree that my alcohol tolerance has 'improved' lately and DH rolls his eyes and says 'I'm on holiday mum'. And that's that. Off she goes to bed. I didn't say more because I was totally stunned by the confrontation and I'm rubbish with thinking on the spot. Plus I had 3 gins inside me.

I must admit I was pretty annoyed at the accusation of drinking too much. I certainly wasn't drunk and the gin I was drinking was bought by us at the airport. Plus I'm nearly 40, so im really not accustomed to somebody monitoring my alcohol consumption. I had a good old rant to my friend via text and decided I'd continue the holiday booze-free so as not to cause any more upset.

The thing is, my only experience of family holidays (pre-meeting my DH) is to spend all day in the pool messing about, eating whatever we like and drinking from about 4/5pm. No rules. Just having a laugh. I appreciate not all families are like this, but this is my default setting for a holiday if you will. So it is an adjustment for me to be so controlled on holiday. But I'm trying to remind myself.... it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday.... and just be greatful.

Yesterday DH, who seems to have fully regressed into a teenager rebillion mode, gets completely shit faced, singing football (?!) chants whilst mooning and dancing around the pool drunk. Eyebrows are raised. MIL is not impressed. We go out for dinner (against my advice) and whilst he goes to the loo MIL asks me why he decided to get so drunk. I explain I'm not sure why, but I think it's an act of defiance. "How very childish" is the response.... and I have to agree.

The atmosphere now is terrible. MIL and DH basically are at loggerheads. DH is in a terrible mood and is not at all fun to be around. Our DD is always a heartbeat away from a tantrum (she's 2) and how I 'parent' her is constantly being watched and critiqued. I just literally can't relax now, and there are 5 days to go. I plan to keep my head down and stay out of the way as much as I can until we go home. But I'm interested to hear... WWYD?

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teddyclown · 09/06/2017 08:39

I'm a bit of a lurker and seldom comment, but I share your confusion Izzy. I can't see where the OP has ever mentioned that she was drunk in charge of a child. Perhaps Cool1Cat could point out where exactly this is?

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Izzy24 · 09/06/2017 08:19

I'm confused.

Where, at any point in this thread, has the OP said or suggested she was drunk in charge of a child?

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Cool1Cat · 08/06/2017 16:28

Gosh you lot are very aggressive and defensive about the truth. I must have hit home. Lynched by a bunch of parents who will not put the child first. I am sorry there are some things you give up when you have a child including getting drunk in charge of a child. You are in complete denial about the dangers of alcohol and its effect on children. I stand by everything I have said and my NHS training, the best in the UK, would back me. We are passed by a lot of psychiatrists and psychotherapists who watch us closely for years and interview us thoroughly, and by our psychoanalysts who see us 4 X PW for 8 years so nothing wrong with me. If I help one child through what I have said then what is a bit of bullying by parents. You don't accept your children being bullied yet you bully me.

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Chestervase1 · 23/05/2017 23:48

Where's the airport?

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maras2 · 23/05/2017 23:44

cool1cat
Ever heard the phrase 'Physician,heal thyself'?
Your obsession with OP's perceived boozing is worrying and rather odd coming from a 'trained child psychotherapist'. Hmm

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ovenchips · 23/05/2017 22:54

Some of these posts feel like responses to another thread happening in a parallel universe.

I think Expat has nailed it tbh. It's your MIL's issue(s) and for her to deal with/ work on rather than for you to have to conform to the dictats created by them.

OP you sound nice and perfectly reasonable and your idea of holiday pleasures are actually rather normal and modest IMO.

What is a shame is that you can't tackle the situation as your adult self. I don't think you should be content to do what MIL wants and suck it up for the duration. You're an adult and should be able to behave like yourself on holiday. But by your own admission you've turned into the model 'do good' teenager. Which tbh is a cop out.

You certainly don't have to go to war but you do need to decide for yourself what is a reasonable way to behave and then behave that way. Sipping water for the duration and swallowing the criticism is not the answer.

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sheepskinshrug · 23/05/2017 21:29

Cool1Cat - you are great at jumping to conclusions - you seem stuck on one diagnosis, learn to read/listen first, ask questions and then after careful consideration make a diagnosis. You are a danger to your profession - you sound unhinged at times, I really hope if your judgements are usually based on such flimsy evidence as they are on this thread that no one takes your judgements seriously in real life.

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Cool1Cat · 23/05/2017 10:41

Replying to expats scotland, no not disturbed and not generalising. Trained as a child psychotherapist to put the child first and I also know the damage drunk parents do to children, it is permanent when it happens regularly. No one was sober round that pool. Over 90% of posts in this thread support regular and often hard drinking and do not put the child first. The child should always come first if they are to grow up mentally healthy. It seems most posters have no idea what a safe and not alcoholic level of drinking is because it has just become so acceptable in society. Moreover the swimming pool and all adults drinking from the afternoon? Not safe and a child protection issue. I will stick to my guns and always support the child. If you have children there may be certain behaviours you have to give up. Please OP change for your child and get your husband some help. Alcoholism is an awful illness and dreadful to live with as well. I am so sorry.

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girlywhirly · 23/05/2017 10:28

Another hoping you arrived home safely and with a new perspective on how to manage holidays.

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Lynnm63 · 22/05/2017 11:09

I guess you're on your way home now. I think you were incredibly restrained with your mil. With regard to the Cornwall trip if you want to go then go. If you don't want to go but can't face the arguments of cancelling you're in the UK worst case scenario you can leave and book a b&b or a travelodge I know Im so classy!
Upon your return from Cornwall you can make it clear that in future they need to run any holidays past you before booking as dd has parties, play dates etc that you don't want to reschedule. Then just be unavailable.
Gin and Flowers for you op.

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girlywhirly · 20/05/2017 14:18

I questioned whether MIL might burst into tears in my post on Fri 19th at 8.33, if anyone disagreed with her. It can be a controlling behaviour. The OP hasn't said that she does.

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grannytomine · 20/05/2017 08:51

Well don't let the facts stop a good MIL bashing.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 20/05/2017 08:29

I haven't seen anything about OP's MiL bursting into tears?

No nor me.

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Ceto · 20/05/2017 08:12

I haven't seen anything about OP's MiL bursting into tears?

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MsJudgemental · 19/05/2017 23:10

The controlling behaviour and then bursting into tears when challenged is exactly the sort of narcissistic behaviour that led to my family and my sister and her husband going NC with our mother. this is nothing to do with alcohol. She will not change. Get through the rest of this holiday the best you can and make it the last. It will not get better, believe me. Flowers

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EvilDoctorBallerinaDuck · 19/05/2017 18:12

Me too Huldra

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NavyandWhite · 19/05/2017 17:51

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S4RA · 19/05/2017 17:24

I would take DD and go home now!!
Leave the idiot with the control freaks and let them sort it out themselves it's not your fight.

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RoseandVioletCreams · 19/05/2017 11:55

I think having a controlling DM brings out the childish twat in one

Absolutely, I do know this from experience ( not my own but someone close) and yes, it makes you want to go wild and break free.

gotmoon its not fair for her to visit those fears onto her son. Its not fair to saddle him with possibly un founded fears he is alochlocic. You have to be very careful when dealing with people - you can sort of make them think they are genetically programmed to go a certain route..and take out their choice in the matter.

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TotallyConkers · 19/05/2017 11:55

OP I would get DH and DMIL in a room and just say these holidays together aren't working and whilst you love each other's company you all want different things in terms of relaxing during a holiday.

I know you say you don't want confrontation but really it would be for the best and it doesn't seem that either DMIL or DH can do the grown up thing here and admit that.

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gotthemoononastick · 19/05/2017 11:35

Walk in the shoes of someone who has lived with alcoholism to undestand this woman's fear for her son.

She would know all the signs and the genetic links and be hyper vigilant.

Your husband is grossly insensitive to her feelings.Do not holiday there again...rather meet up somewhere neutral for a break, where your lifestyle is not visible to her.

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EvilDoctorBallerinaDuck · 19/05/2017 10:26

InvisibleKitten I think having a controlling DM brings out the childish twat in one.

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EvilDoctorBallerinaDuck · 19/05/2017 10:08

MsGame I think it's how the MIL talked to her DS that's the problem. If you tell DS 5 not to do something in a "mum tone", he does it again. It sounds like the DH has the same kind of personality. Doesn't she know her own DS's personality yet? Confused

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RoseandVioletCreams · 19/05/2017 09:47

Great post girly

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CruCru · 19/05/2017 09:43

Re games to play outside, is she too little for What's the Time, Mr Wolf?

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