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AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...

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citroenpresse · 12/05/2017 14:45

He's the oldest of old dogs. His colleagues seem to loath him. But reading his Chatham House speech, there was very little to disagree with.and healthy domestic proposals. VAT on private school fees (yes). Tax on the highest 5% earners (yes). Higher corporation tax - not on small businesses (yes). Reducing danger of inflated executive pay through government tender changes (yes). Protecting bees (yes yes yes). He's not looking for gimmicky vote winners, he's been banging on about this stuff for years (and no one could deny his tenacity in the leadership process). Labour has some real talents like Keir Starmer Wouldn't we prefer him rather than Boris Johnson taking on Trump? Do miracles happen?

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sashh · 14/05/2017 10:22

Approx one in ten children are privately educated.
Increase the costs to them and a proportion will move to the overcrowded state sector. ....needing more funding....

The cost of fees has risen significantly over the last few years, the numbers have not dropped so not sure they would if it were taxed.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/05/2017 10:27

The cost of fees has risen significantly over the last few years, the numbers have not dropped so not sure they would if it were taxed

I am sure they would. I know of quite a few people who school privately and live frugally and just manage the fees. If this happened there is no way they would be able to.

Slarti · 14/05/2017 10:32

They are called the nasty party by people that don't agree with them. Wink

When a party has a history littered with things like "if you want a nigger for a neighbour" and Section 28 it's pretty easy to see why they got their nickname. Wink

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/05/2017 11:27

When a party has a history littered with things like "if you want a nigger for a neighbour" and Section 28 it's pretty easy to see why they got their nickname.

All parties have bad things from the past. Let's not pretend they don't. Or is bad ok if you support them.

LaPharisienne · 14/05/2017 11:39

Corbyn is hated by the Blairites in his party because they think a swing to the left will mean they'll never get back into power. And they'd rather peddle right wing policies feeling confident they'll be elected than fight for poor people/ principle.

Corbyn has my vote. He's trying to make life better for the poorest and neediest in our society.

A vote for the Tories is a vote for greater inequality, worse schools, the collapse of the NHS and, oh yes, a hard Brexit. I just don't get the appeal.

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citroenpresse · 14/05/2017 11:39

The debate about how Labour budgets are costed and 'where they going to get the money from' is so ironic. Under Tory governments, it's blatantly obvious where 'they get the money from' - the most vulnerable, the disabled, the poorest. If you think that is 'fair', you vote Tory.

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Bejazzled · 14/05/2017 11:47

Op, I feel the same about Theresa May - wonderful woman who speaks for me.

But in relation to your original post don't forget, for every Starmer, you get an Abbott 😮

JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/05/2017 11:55

for every Starmer, you get an Abbott

For every May you get a Johnson, Gove, H(c)unt, Davis and Fox (not the type they want to hunt)

clumsyduck · 14/05/2017 12:02

I feel like on principle I should still be voting labour but I honestly just don't see how it would work ? As someone upthread said the manifesto just looks like a wish list .

Bejazzled · 14/05/2017 12:02

Yes just, exactly - a better team all round 👍

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citroenpresse · 14/05/2017 12:37

And Just it was only a May in the nick of time. It was very nearly Andrea Leadsom and her imaginative cv.

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citroenpresse · 14/05/2017 12:40

clumsyduck have austerity budgets 'worked'? Have Tory policies in education 'worked'? Is the NHS 'strong and stable'?

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Tanith · 14/05/2017 12:54

"They are called the nasty party by people that don't agree with them. "

That'd be Theresa May, then Smile

makeourfuture · 14/05/2017 12:59

have austerity budgets 'worked'? Have Tory policies in education 'worked'? Is the NHS 'strong and stable'?

Hail no!

Bejazzled · 14/05/2017 13:22

Goodness citroenpresse you are a quick learner. From warming to Corbyn" and having just "read the Chatham house speech, you have in the stretch of one thread told us all about his political ideology and the historical, social and political Conservative theory!
Momentum eh?

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citroenpresse · 14/05/2017 13:37

Absolutely nothing do do with Momentum...it was a genuine question! I don't understand what you mean about knowing all about 'Corbyn's political ideology or historical social and political Conservative theory'. I'm just interested in politics Bejazzled. Why would anyone on Momentum be spending any time on Mumsnet? Why must there always be a 'hidden motive'.

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coconuttella · 14/05/2017 13:56

It's one things saying you'll make everything wonderful... it's another delivering it. The £10ph NMW. Relatively easy to force firms to do this... quite another to deal with the job losses and inflation that would likely follow.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/05/2017 14:18

Why would anyone on Momentum be spending any time on Mumsnet?

A lot of Momentum campaigning is on SM and online. Paul Mason is currently asking people to give to Momentum to help Labour win.

They are one of Labours (hard left) election vehicles.

makeourfuture · 14/05/2017 14:26

(hard left)

Nothing particularly "hard left" about this.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/05/2017 14:29

Nothing particularly "hard left" about this.

The STW and Socialist Workers flags at demos would say differently but hey what do people that have been involved with the party for many years know.

makeourfuture · 14/05/2017 14:33

Socialist Workers flags

I was at a recent march and a guy held up a McDonald's "Now open for Breakfast" placard.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 14/05/2017 14:53

I thought momentum happily embraced those who's labour membership has been turned down/banned

Now although some would like it to be it isn't those to the centre of the party that are being banned

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/05/2017 14:55

I was at a recent march and a guy held up a McDonald's "Now open for Breakfast" placard.

Hardly the same is it and a classic case of whataboutery.

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citroenpresse · 14/05/2017 15:05

Hard left election vehicle' What decade are we in?

Some of the Tory party's own 'strong and stable' requests for financing are hilarious. "Labour are steadily building an army of far left-wing supporters and we should ignore this at our peril".

"Labour has said that they would turn their backs on our nuclear deterrent [they haven't] , abolish our armed forces [they haven't] and has openly sympathised with terrorist groups who seek to destroy our way of life [Has Corbyn declared ISIS sympathies? Let's move ON. We're in a different world now].

"Their policies for the continued economic recovery of our great nation should make alarm bells ring."

What is anyone voting Tory FOR? Because you are terrified of the 'hard left' even though the evidence of shambolic economic policies is right in front of you?

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