AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...

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He's the oldest of old dogs. His colleagues seem to loath him. But reading his Chatham House speech, there was very little to disagree with.and healthy domestic proposals. VAT on private school fees (yes). Tax on the highest 5% earners (yes). Higher corporation tax - not on small businesses (yes). Reducing danger of inflated executive pay through government tender changes (yes). Protecting bees (yes yes yes). He's not looking for gimmicky vote winners, he's been banging on about this stuff for years (and no one could deny his tenacity in the leadership process). Labour has some real talents like Keir Starmer Wouldn't we prefer him rather than Boris Johnson taking on Trump? Do miracles happen?

Looks like it's working OP, labours ratings have gone up to 32% which is higher than in the last general election

Looks like it's working OP, labours ratings have gone up to 32% which is higher than in the last general election

Apart from the fact Tories has also increased at an even greater rate and than opinion polls historically overestimate Labour support and underestimate Tory support.

For every May you get a Johnson, Gove, H(c)unt, Davis and Fox (not the type they want to hunt)

Don't miss that Loathesome lady who was trying to sell country air to China.
You have to give it to Tories though: they are the nasty party but they keep you thoroughly entertained while they privatise NHS and decimate public services. Look how innocent Boris used to look while average Londoner was screwed due to the rotten housing crisis under his charge. He was far too busy hanging from ropes, offending everyone he could and of course building that bridge where all the youngsters could sleep at night when they could no longer afford rents.

Looks like it's working OP, labours ratings have gone up to 32% which is higher than in the last general election

Wishful thinking I'm afraid... Labour was polling 35-36% in run up to 2015 election...

Macron is PRO business and PRO Europe because they go together. He was an investment banker turned Minister in a socialist government. A progressive. The Tories are not.

In any case, how do you tell the difference between a 'centrist' or 'left' policy? How 'far right' are tax benefits for the richest and reduced support for the most vulnerable.

Well no clearly not citreon !
Whole thing just seems like one out of control mess to be honest !

For every May you get a Johnson, Gove, H(c)unt, Davis and Fox (not the type they want to hunt)

Well that works both ways doesn't it.

For every Corbyn you get McDonnell, Abbott, Thornbury etc

And don't forget Angela Rayner and Rebecca Long-Bailey

Rebecca Long Bailey is being touted as JCs sucessor apparently.

Warning to him is probably too strong for how I feel as don't rate him, but have come to think May is worse option. Why won't she debate with other party leaders? Why is she going on TV taking about 'boy jobs and girl jobs' but won't discuss policy? I know the manifesto isn't out yet but she's the prime minister! Her husband said 'she always wanted to be prime minister' but why? What is her ideology? What does she stand for?

We have a society where inequality is spiralling out of control (under funded
NHS, prospect of home ownership evaporating for young, eye-watering executive pay while general workers pay stagnates, more families in poverty, food banks becoming normalised etc etc) - which is bad for all of us - and I want to know how each party will try to fix it. At least Labour has a plan and seems to understand the gravity of the situation. So yes, with some reservations if my vote counted I would most definitely vote Labour - and I wouldn't have said that a month ago due to distrust of Corbyn.

As it is I'm in a safe Tory seat with a fairly ineffectual job-for-life MP (been there over 20 years, nice work if you can get it) so will be voting Lib Dem, supporting anti-Brexit stance. Won't mean a thing. First past the post - gotta love it.

For every Corbyn you get McDonnell, Abbott, Thornbury etc

At least Corbyn's menifesto makes sense. I want to know why you never reply anything directly and use just rhetorics Piglet.

May has taken the middle ground - far too much for my liking by the way but she is the best we have.

Corbyn is a good man but many London families live on £80 - £100k which after £30k childcare costs and £40k mortgage is not a huge amount left so traditional London labour voters of course are not rushing to vote Labour this time.

Labour are even saying they will publish tax returns of higher earners - it will start with that and then of course come down to publication of the income of everyone on mumsnet - be very very careful before voting Labour.

At least Corbyn's menifesto makes sense. I want to know why you never reply anything directly and use just rhetorics Piglet

I have answered many questions directly

Unless you are high up in the Labour party you haven't seen the manifesto as it hasn't been released.

It is Labours manifesto not Corbyn's btw.

HTH

We haven't seen how it's all going to be paid for yet

We have only seen a draft of the manifesto with lots of Corbyn crowd pleasing policies

now there is the Robin Hood Tax another vote pleaser just it simply isn't as easy to implement as it sounds and the issue of Brexit and the impact on business once again ignored

Rebecca Long Bailey what a joke well that's the next election won for the Tories

Be interesting to see her manifesto, she has a vision apparently and all we know for now is that it dosent include foxes.

At least Corbyn's menifesto makes sense

Bizarre comment considering:
a) it hasn't been published yet with costings
b) Tories (or Lib Dems) haven't published theirs at all!

Interesting stats...

Given that the biggest financial crash since the 30s occurred in 2008, the Government's done pretty well to keep poverty levels broadly static in my opinion.

fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures

If the Tories really hate the poor, the stats would indicate they're rather inefficient carrying through on their "loathing"! I'm not saying the Tories are wonderful, they're not - I disagree with how they've managed benefits cuts to the disabled for instance, but their portrayal as being evil persecutors of the poor is excessive.

Corbyn has said it will work and transform people lives

Isn't that enough for you

If the Tories really hate the poor, the stats would indicate they're rather inefficient carrying through on their "loathing"!

Well I suppose the increase on public reliance on food banks while the state removed safety nets is a complete coincidence! Maybe when they sanctioned people who went on to die and found others fit for work who also went on to die they were simply putting people out of their misery because they care so much for them. You must be living on a different planet if you can defend the Tory's record with the poor and vulnerable.

coconutella...the report you shared does not show poverty is static. One of the most frequent words used in that report is 'misleading'. However it does pick up David Cameron's wish to change the poverty measurement goalposts when it showed that child poverty figures were their highest for a decade (and increasing) under the Tories.

Those that don't think Corbyn is trying to take the party to very hard left, he has just appointed Andrew Murray to head up his election team.

Ridiculous.

I think it depends on what you define as child poverty. And yes I think you should carefully examine those definitions from time to time to see if they still are relevant.

I think assessing people to see if they are fit for work, is a good thing. Because it's a judgement, people will be placed into the wrong category. I think we need to work on reducing these cases.
I have a family member who tells everyone he's being assessed as fit for work, pleads poverty, and people take pity on him with food etc.
However we know also ( because we see) that he is able to carry heavy gig equipment, stand for hours playing music and that's never an issue etc.