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AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...

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citroenpresse · 12/05/2017 14:45

He's the oldest of old dogs. His colleagues seem to loath him. But reading his Chatham House speech, there was very little to disagree with.and healthy domestic proposals. VAT on private school fees (yes). Tax on the highest 5% earners (yes). Higher corporation tax - not on small businesses (yes). Reducing danger of inflated executive pay through government tender changes (yes). Protecting bees (yes yes yes). He's not looking for gimmicky vote winners, he's been banging on about this stuff for years (and no one could deny his tenacity in the leadership process). Labour has some real talents like Keir Starmer Wouldn't we prefer him rather than Boris Johnson taking on Trump? Do miracles happen?

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Livelovebehappy · 13/05/2017 08:36

All I see when I look at him and hear his manifesto is a man shamelessly putting all his own ideals into a basket and running with it; he doesn't care whether he has support in his own party for his policies, or not. And it seems from media reports that there are a lot of his party who absolutely don't ageee with them. This is all about him; this is his vanity party, and to hell with anyone who doesn't like what's on offer. The Unions are circling like a pack of hyenas - their new Messiah has arrived and anyone who was around when they last played a big part in the Labour Party will remember how bad it was. He behaves like an 18 year old politics student throwing out his idealistic visions, but who just hasn't thought through how these ideals are going to be funded. I just can't believe that someone would knowingly vote in someone who includes Abbot as one of their high profile front benchers.

Fruitcorner123 · 13/05/2017 09:03

I haven't read the full thread but just wanted to say this in response to a pp. I do think that people voting tory don't think they are voting for a fairer society they think they are voting for what's better for them. How can it be fairer to destroy the NHS and schools and make the poor, vulnerable and disabled pay more and have less? There is not even a small part of me that believes that people who vote for them are voting for a fairer society. That's ludicrous!

Fruitcorner123 · 13/05/2017 09:04

YANBU to hope. We can hope at least it won't be the predicted landslide and labour will get enough seats to make a strong opposition and fight for the best possible brexit.

teawamutu · 13/05/2017 09:04

Livelovebehappy nailed it for me.

I think it's an act of awful narcissism and arrogance to effectively write off all the vulnerable who'll be fucked over by another ten years of tory rule, because they'd rather cheer at rallies than compromise a bit and win power. While still proclaiming that the centrists who want to actually form a government are traitors!

Graphista · 13/05/2017 11:35

I will be extremely surprised if Tory outdo labour in Scotland this time round. Friends and family in various parts of Scotland saying people want May out, quite a few thinking same as me, would prefer to vote SNP but in order to get May out it has to be labour to do so.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 13/05/2017 11:48

I don't agree with the tax on private schooling. It's a nice idea in principle but what happens if it's enough to prevent parents from sending their kids to a private school? The cost of a state education will be a LOT more

We couldn't cope if there weren't any private schools. They take away burden from our state funded education system

I admit I have an axe to grind here- Labour voter who sent her son to a private school so I don't agree with this.

I'm in Edinburgh- around 25% of secondary school pupils are privately educated. The last thing Edinburgh Council is a massive increase in its school roll.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 13/05/2017 11:51

I will be extremely surprised if Tory outdo labour in Scotland this time round. Friends and family in various parts of Scotland saying people want May out, quite a few thinking same as me, would prefer to vote SNP but in order to get May out it has to be labour to do so

I won't be in the least surprised if Tories do better than Labour in Scotland. I know several people who will be voting Conservative to thwart Sturgeon. I will be.

Graphista · 13/05/2017 11:54

LassWi whereabouts are you? I'm west coast and while sturgeon not really loved the SNP are liked and do good work.

Tanith · 13/05/2017 12:07

Don't know about CCHQ, but I am finding it amusing to see Conservative supporters on here, sadly assuring us that they can't vote Labour this time around because they don't like Jeremy Corbyn! Grin

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/05/2017 12:12

Are there Tory voter that are saying that they can't vote Labour becuase of Corbyn

Mayb

There are floating voters and certainly some lifelong labour voters that are also party members but they are not Tories

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/05/2017 12:22

Livelovebehapp I absolutely agree with your post and with teawamutu

The revolution can march on regardless of getting nowhere but allowing the Tories more power hey what does that matter suffering is all part the story Hmm but it won't be Corbyn and co that suffers will it

Such a principled man Hmm

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/05/2017 12:34

I will be extremely surprised if Tory outdo labour in Scotland this time round.

I certainly wouldn't be. Not in in the slightest.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 13/05/2017 13:00

LassWi whereabouts are you? I'm west coast and while sturgeon not really loved the SNP are liked and do good work

Edinburgh. The vast majority of the people I know and work with loathe the SNP.

As for "good work" Er, no. Not in the slightest. There have been damning reports recently on performances in education and policing.

makeourfuture · 13/05/2017 13:00

allowing the Tories more power

The objective is to remove the Tories from power. It is what elections are for.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/05/2017 13:14

And it won't be done under Corbyn he has shown himself to be a useless opposition leader has a useless team around him apart from a few and his connections will always put a stop to him being PM

Many knew that and were hoping by 2020 we might have a leader that could actually could lead the opposition and hold the government to account by he has failed at and Labour could have had a chance to gain power or at least gain more seats and provide more opposition

But the Tories saw there chance and took it knowing that the idiot will loose Labour seats and the idiot is so stupid he will hold on and damage Labour further

Fucking great a Tory landslide

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/05/2017 13:29

The Unions are circling like a pack of hyenas - their new Messiah has arrived and anyone who was around when they last played a big part in the Labour Party will remember how bad it was

Very well said - some of us do indeed remember the horrors of those times, and can see very clearly how the current Labour party could take us back to them

The objective is to remove the Tories from power. It is what elections are for

Huh?? Confused Call me an ignoramus, but I thought elections had a rather wider purpose than just that?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/05/2017 13:35

(Corbyn's) connections will always put a stop to him being PM

I completely agree. As I've mentioned before, the so called anti Corbyn media have hardly started yet - they haven't needed to

However in the last days before the election I'm certain that even more poisonous links - together with suitable photos - will be dragged out for us all to ponder

And no doubt that will all be someone else's fault too Hmm

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/05/2017 13:37

The objective is to remove the Tories from power. It is what elections are for.

I think your idea of what elections are for sbd democracy are completely screwed .Hmm

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/05/2017 13:37

*and

makeourfuture · 13/05/2017 13:38

Call me an ignoramus

That's ridiculous. I've read a few of your posts and you are doing very well!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/05/2017 13:39

Thank you, makeourfuture Flowers

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 13/05/2017 13:58

The objective is to remove the Tories from power. It is what elections are for

You have no understanding of what elections are for.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/05/2017 15:18

Absolutely agree Puzzle

Does anyone really think the Tories will not highlight these facts and the press that support the Tories

And even none Tory press will not ignore it once it's being pushed to headline news

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/05/2017 15:44

Just posted this elsewhere, but this was on Twitter last night. Ridiculous...

AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...
AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...
Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/05/2017 15:58

Does anyone really think the Tories will not highlight these facts

I doubt it, but then there's always the possibility of crying "bias" or simply ignoring that which some would prefer not to see

I posted an excoriating article by Nick Cohen elsewhere, dealing with the company JC keeps and the causes he sees fit to back. Never mind that every point was carefully researched and proved with further links - it was still dismissed unread

I've no doubt at all that we all find things to criticise politicians for, whether they belong to our preferred party or not. However the overwhelming point about JC seems to me to be this: there's just too much dirt for him even to stand a hope of becoming PM

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