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AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...

294 replies

citroenpresse · 12/05/2017 14:45

He's the oldest of old dogs. His colleagues seem to loath him. But reading his Chatham House speech, there was very little to disagree with.and healthy domestic proposals. VAT on private school fees (yes). Tax on the highest 5% earners (yes). Higher corporation tax - not on small businesses (yes). Reducing danger of inflated executive pay through government tender changes (yes). Protecting bees (yes yes yes). He's not looking for gimmicky vote winners, he's been banging on about this stuff for years (and no one could deny his tenacity in the leadership process). Labour has some real talents like Keir Starmer Wouldn't we prefer him rather than Boris Johnson taking on Trump? Do miracles happen?

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Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 19:33

I'm definitely not a trump supporter! Just because you disagree with my political beliefs, doesn't mean it's ok to insult me.

I have given no indication that I have opposite political beliefs, and if you think i have insulted you be equating you sound like a trump supporter then that is on you, but when you say things like:

respect his integrity and I believe his pursuit of fair play and his stubbornness make him the ideal person to represent us internationally.

Is exactly they same arguments Trump supporters used, its the idolisation of Corbyn and believing any criticism is some conspiracy which runs parallel in both sets of supporters

I want to be governed by someone who doesn't pander to thugs like trump and doesn't throw us into wars that kill innocents and cost quite literally a bomb. I see war as an absolute last resort, and I believe Corbyn shares that view.

Corbyn has pandered to a lot worse thugs than Trump, and I don't think anyone within the UK government Tory included that think war is not a last resort.... Hmm

MaggieLightBlue · 12/05/2017 19:34

I can't wait for the Conservative manifesto.
Grin

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 19:35

Thing is he had that speech today then in a C4 interview after he has refused to say whether or not he would send our troops to help a NATO ally if they were under threat.

A lifelong Labour voter but not whole he is there.

Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 19:35

Until the foreign policy speech at Chatham House I had no intention of voting Labour

So what swung you into a labour supporter from Green then?

...the posturing with the EU is so amateurish in terms of strategy.
Do you not think its posturing going on both sides?

citroenpresse · 12/05/2017 19:38

lurker Green? What makes you think I voted Green?

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Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 19:38

I can't wait for the Conservative manifesto.
Grin

The really funny thing is that they don't really need to offer one and they would still win, that's the dire situation we are in.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 12/05/2017 19:38

I see the usual roving band of CCHQ posters are in

Ill just sit in here and watch and try not engage with the shite they repetitively post, blah blah blah Corbyn bad, poor poor rich people and the usual 'life long labour supporter cant vote Labour because of Corbyn'

Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 19:45

lurker Green? What makes you think I voted Green?

Well you either ironically wasted paper by voting green at the last GE, or your not the "convert" that you are trying to come across as.

seen too many momentum posts pretending to play on innocence and emotion

DearyDearyDeary · 12/05/2017 19:48

Corbyn Supporters:

You will never convert folk on the intraweb thingy. If you want JC to win, join Labour, then get out canvassing.

Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 19:49

I see the usual roving band of CCHQ posters are in

Welcome fellow momentum poster, did you place your bet at the bookies so it would change the narrative.

See we can both make silly conspiracy theories, I am a swing voter, it is my vote you need to win over, but I admit that I like baiting the politibots, and will put out a different point of view.

MaggieLightBlue · 12/05/2017 20:07

Justanother ,why don't they need to offer a manifesto?

citroenpresse · 12/05/2017 20:08

Posturing from GB, disbelief from Europe.

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Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 20:20

why don't they need to offer a manifesto?

I was being facetious, they will release one, I think without the labour leak they was both due out next week, but even disregarding that, the polls suggest that with an optimistic 20 point swing the tories can just keep quiet and just keep feeding the rope to Corbyn

makeourfuture · 12/05/2017 20:32

Well of course they don't need a manifesto, if they had anything, they could do it now. Or ten years ago.

Wait, they did. No plan Brexit. Tax give aways to corporations. Re-inflate housing bubble. Attack disabled.

Graphista · 12/05/2017 20:32

I was a labour voter until Blair, never trusted him. Until election before last I voted lib dem, then last time snp. It will be labour this time. Not because I am no longer supportive of the SNP, they've done not a bad job at all, but...we need may/tories out. They're wrecking the country.

"...and then presumably blame others for not forgiving our debts when we turn into Greece mk2." Tories have already done that. In Europe we're the next worst paid/overworked to Greece. People are starting to see that tories are not better economically after all.

"Labour have a habit of goal post moving" cos tories never do that Hmm

As for 'his own mp's don't like him' it's new labour - Tory lites - frankly they are not labour and never were.

"or dropping their hours to come in just under threshold)" the hours still need covered so that means another employee working more hours earning more and paying a little more in tax or even the creation of a second job! Brits are working stupid hours compared to other developed countries yet we're no better off for it.

Every time policies like these are suggested we hear 'businesses will leave the U.K.' 'Redundancies will go up' 'small businesses can't cope' and yet when has that happened? It didn't happen with the introduction of minimum wage, or changes to how many hours people work etc

"ultimately this policy is unsustainable for two reasons. The cost to those services which have to pick up the effects of the cuts eg police having to deal with people who have mental health problems which would previously have been helped by nhs is often greater than the spending which has been cut." Exactly - it's a short term short sighted approach. I was talking about exactly this with someone earlier today who works with the homeless. They were saying basically 'it's all well and good making cuts but long term it's far more expensive eg not building more houses. You get someone off the streets, into temporary accommodation, get them treatment if it's needed (addiction, mental illness etc) you get them to where they're coping, moving forward. Then cut housing benefit, this results in rent arrears, stress (making illness worse, addiction relapse more likely), they get evicted and you're back at square one!'

"Indidvidual disposable income is going down and this means that retailers etc make less profit as the public have less disposable income to spend." The rich especially the very rich tend not to spend. The poor/low income spend! My town is dying on its arse with these cuts. Tories better for economy! Gimme a break! More than half the high street boarded up, major employers are going overseas NOW because this country isn't maintaining itself properly. Pay people an ACTUAL living wage and they will head to their high st, on nights out, meals out, to theatres, cinema, concerts, on holiday...

The Tory 'good' record on economy is several times a day being dismantled and shown to be myth.

Corbyn & IRA etc - nobody really wins in a war, the stance of 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' has been shown to be mostly pointless. We wouldn't negotiate with the IRA for years, when we finally did - result - peace (albeit tentative/fragile but it's better than what WAS happening).

coconuttella · 12/05/2017 20:32

This is the way I see things....

The UK is a bit like a woman, who in 2008 had a meltdown (financial crisis) and started some serious binge eating (bank bailout etc) and ballooned to 25 stone. She realised that she needed to sort herself out and went on a diet (austerity), intending to get back to her normal weight of 13 stone (she was never skinny!) by 2015.... come 2015 she hadn't reached her goal and by 2017, she's certainly lost weight, but she's still 18 stone... obese but not morbidly so like she was. She's torn... she's fed up with dieting. In one ear one 'angel' whispers "you're on the right track. We need to remain strong (and stable)" (I.e. Tories) and the other 'angel' whispers "Fuck it... I'm still fat so I might as well stuff my face again and to hell with the consequences!" (I.e. Labour)

MaggieLightBlue · 12/05/2017 20:35

Justanother ,polls cannot predict turnout on the day.

MaggieLightBlue · 12/05/2017 20:37

What exactly is it that Theresa May is doing that's so 'strong and stable'?

Dreamqueen · 12/05/2017 20:37

I'm going to vote Labour for the first time in my life. JC has converted me.

Poppyred85 · 12/05/2017 20:41

Coconuttella that analogy is disgustingly misogynistic.

coconuttella · 12/05/2017 20:45

Poppyred

Wtf?? Replace 'woman' with a 'man' and it works just as well. It's an analogy ffs.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 20:48

I see the usual roving band of CCHQ posters are in

Ha ha. Not me. Never voted Tory.

It does seem as if there is an influx of Momentum and die hard Corbynites...

coconuttella · 12/05/2017 20:50

Pay people an ACTUAL living wage and they will head to their high st, on nights out, meals out, to theatres, cinema, concerts, on holiday...

Have people forgotten that the Tories are raising minimum wage massively!... planning to get to £9ph by 2020. Perhaps not quite the £10ph Labour are advocating but of all the issues, this isn't one to attack the Tories on.

Justanotherlurker · 12/05/2017 20:51

Justanother ,polls cannot predict turnout on the day.

That is true, but I sense your ignoring the polls as some "right wing conspiracy", unless you can show me some stats that all those non voters are some silent left wing majority that are just waiting in the wings to come out and vote then I am going to take the polls at face value.

The polls where incorrect in the last GE because they where heavily weighted in labours favour, even so, it was still in the margin of error.

However you want to spin it, 20 point lead is not within any margin of error.

coconuttella · 12/05/2017 20:51

I see the usual roving band of CCHQ posters are in

Me neither... haven't even decided who to vote for (though it won't be for Labour's irresponsible promises)