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AIBU?

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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

OP posts:
ExplodedCloud · 11/05/2017 12:12

I disagree that it was worse than Southern Rail is now.
Who do you think would take on that franchise now? Nobody unless the tax payer continues to subsidise them to allow them to turn a profit.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 11/05/2017 12:13

Placemarking.

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 12:24

Exploded, I agree Southern Rail are awful, can you imagine that sort of chaos up and down the whole country? That is what it was like. British Rail ran up huge debts / losses and had to be subsidised / bailed out by the tax payer, it was never enough money to sort out the problems.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/05/2017 12:28

I'd take a principled individual with a desire for fairness and equality any day of the week.^

He's not principled, he's a purist who doesn't give a shit about whether his policies actually have a chance to be implemented.

I'd also question his commitment to equality, given both his very, very poor record on antisemitism, and also on his endorsement of SWP-front organisations, despite being given full information about how they treat rape accusations (hint: badly).

ExplodedCloud · 11/05/2017 12:31

Can you stop telling me how it was in the 70s please?
I disagree with your representation and if privatisation was supposed to make it better, it's failed badly on a number of routes.

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 12:37

: ) But you want to take us back to the '70's.............. sorry for hitting a nerve x

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 12:39

P.s where I live privatisation has worked really well.

ExplodedCloud · 11/05/2017 12:42

Hitting a nerve? Bless you, no you didnt.
You know the Tories were in power in the 70s too? When we weren't in the EEC...

magoria · 11/05/2017 12:51

Aren't grammar schools and free schools free and government funded?

Any VAT on independent school places will have no affect on these type of schools.

Apart from people who can't afford the increase maybe tutoring their DC instead to get a better chance of getting into one of these free places.

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 12:53

Exploded, I thought we were talking about Labours pledge to re-nationalise the Railways? If you want to change the subject, fine. I'm guessing you don't want me to mention how bad the Railways were when they were British Rail but I'm afraid this is a public forum and you cannot tell people what they are allowed to say or not.

ExplodedCloud · 11/05/2017 12:58

Um. I'm not Confused You brought up the 70s. I mentioned the 70s.
It's sort of how things go in a discussion.

LeninaCrowne · 11/05/2017 13:03

You may have guessed from my username that I'm not a Tory (or UKip!) voter however Labour aren't coming across that they would make a success of running the country if they won the election and I still remember Gordon Brown's spending spree and the mess that resulted (Ok I know it coincided with the banking crisis but it didn't help).

MaddieElla · 11/05/2017 13:35

we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

Go on then, OP. How long until those franchises lapse? I know the answer to this and it makes this pledge laughable.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 11/05/2017 14:46

No it doesn't Maddie - here you go, many lapsing in 2018 - or were you hoping that nobody had the ability to Google (sources randomly checked and verified)?

TessTube · 11/05/2017 14:47

We could be having JezRail soon then.

They can't call it British Rail again can they?

MaddieElla · 11/05/2017 14:56

Many...yeah, not the ones that matter.

Clandestino · 11/05/2017 15:02

Seriously? Corbyn ran the Labour to the ground. Tories and the SNP are winning former Labour fortresses without breaking sweat.
His policies sound attractive - there's just the little detail of where he is going to get the money to support it all.
His position on Brexit was just shameless. Funny enough it's completely absent from your list of the Enlightened Leader's qualities.
No matter how you twist it, he's got the all the charisma of a drowned cactus.
He goes into fits of rage when someone openly disagrees with him. He managed to polarise Labour so much that the Tories must be getting orgasms just upon hearing his name.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 11/05/2017 15:05

I can't be the only one to think all these gushing pro-Corbyn posts all over social media over the past two days is a "Momentum" media push?

I agree

NoLotteryWinYet · 11/05/2017 15:37

yes I've noticed an uptick in posting too, and also, menacingly, every video has a 'share if you agree' or 'share if you're going to vote labour', so your friends know if you don't share it, you're the enemy.

Nice.

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MrsRuby · 11/05/2017 18:48

Well that escalated quickly!

Have had no break today then after school clubs and planning so haven't been able to get back until now.

I cannot possibly refute or argue every single point raised but I have taken some of the less frothing ones on board and will do further research to decide if it will change my mind about anything. I wish the conservatives would do the same but in my experience they are not wracked with the self-doubt and empathy of the left so doubt that will ever happen (and is part of the problems on both sides).
The whole reference to LIES (as stated in the OP) were because I have seen many posts stating things like "everyone earning 40k is going to get hammered" or "they haven't said where the money's coming from" which are incorrect. When repeated over and over it begins to sound like a deliberate attempt to mislead or lie. (Hi daily mail you fascist rag!)
As several people have pointed out, much of my OP are opinions so cannot be said to be lies either way (this was kind of the point) so statements like "he can't lead" are of course opinions and I can equally state to counter, that I believe Jeremy Corbyn would be a breath of fresh air after the long line of self-serving bastards we currently have.

Thanks to everyone who has commented, it's been interesting - goodnight!

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SeaWitchly · 11/05/2017 20:30

Those extra bank holidays would mean about £1,000-2,000 in lost income for many self-employed people.

Or as a self employed person you could choose to work over public holidays. I have done this.

SWtoSEGirl · 11/05/2017 21:04

You've listed all the reasons I'll be voting Labour. I stuggle to think of one way in which the country has improved under the Tory government. Most anti-Corbyn rhetoric I read is not based on policy but the right wing media's warped view of his personality.

dotandstripe · 11/05/2017 21:55

SeaWitchly Sure, some can. Some can't. For example I used to rent a consulting room in a centre that was closed on bank holidays.