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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

OP posts:
NoLotteryWinYet · 12/05/2017 12:55

I never said he was harmless. You can be Stalinist in view and tactics whilst also being managerially incompetent, they're not mutually exclusive.

LondonNicki · 12/05/2017 13:00

Too many people are swallowing the Tory sound bites 'string and stable' etc which means nothing as the Tories have created one of the more uncertain periods in British political history and divided the county.

I agree people should educate themselves on policies and look beyond the rhetoric but too many vote based on identity rather than in their interests.

makeourfuture · 12/05/2017 13:02

I never said he was harmless. You can be Stalinist in view and tactics whilst also being managerially incompetent, they're not mutually exclusive.

So the purge, when it comes, will be sort of slap-dash.

"Oops we sent that bus load to Butlin's instead of the reeducation camp!"

TessTube · 12/05/2017 13:10

Make 😂

I think Jeremy would have a jolly nice reeducation camp though. Very civilised.

A Proper Socialist was just on the telly and he denounced Jeremy as a capitalist, which I think can only be a good thing.

He said that we would all live together and no one should have to sell themselves for money - so it made the Labour manifesto look more right wing than UKIPS!

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 13:32

I think Jeremy would have a jolly nice reeducation camp though. Very civilised.

Not if the fanatical Corbynites ran it that shout abuse at anyone who dares to to say anything against dear leader.

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/05/2017 13:52

i don't know, based on what happened to McCluskey's rival, Coyne, i'm not confident the purge would be all that civilized either.

ChestOfDrawers · 12/05/2017 14:03

Following. Thank you OP

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/05/2017 14:25

A Proper Socialist was just on the telly and he denounced Jeremy as a capitalist ... He said that we would all live together and no one should have to sell themselves for money

Oh dear, oh dear ...

Grin Grin Grin

teawamutu · 12/05/2017 15:16

makeGrin

Butlins or socialist re-education... Tough choice...

AllThePrettySeahorses · 12/05/2017 18:24

Oh, that LSE thing is crap. The inflammatory pro-Corbyn language shows the researchers' bias. And it's a bit rich complaining that Corbyn's words weren't represented in the media when there were no words to report - oh yeah, apart from his pro-IRA, pro-Hamas, whispering campaign, stalking horse media briefs. Be careful what you ask for and all that ...

It's ridiculous to blame the media. As a (now ex-) Labour member, I've seen Corbyn speak 14 times and I think he's awful. I remember looking at people clapping him at the first leadership hustings I went to, thinking it was a case of the emperor's new clothes. Or was I brainwashed?

Valentine2 · 14/05/2017 23:05

that LSE thing is crap
Yeah yeah. Just some stupid experts doing their stupid maths and stats and coming up with stupid results. Don't they know we live in the post-truth era now?
I have never heard Corbyn speak to a crowd. I heard him primarily on PMQs and T. May certainly doesn't come out as the winner there.
The manner of the "leak" of their draft made sure everyone has read it at least. The principles are there. I haven't decided where my vote will go. But one thing I am sure of: we will get a LOT of money for all the things promised in there if we coukd tax off-shore companies (Theresa May's husband is a direct beneficiary of that loop hole apparently) and could scrap Trident.
IT will give us enough time to start some decent long term plans for NHS and public services.

ExplodedCloud · 14/05/2017 23:15

A colleague of mine took his teenager to hear Corbyn speak at an event (teen's request) and came back very enthusiastic.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 07:15

But one thing I am sure of: we will get a LOT of money for all the things promised in there if we coukd tax off-shore companies

No where near enough for everything promised however. Not even in the same ball park.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 07:19

A colleague of mine took his teenager to hear Corbyn speak at an event (teen's request) and came back very enthusiastic.

That is Corbyn's bread and butter though. He has spent his life speaking at rallies. The problem is that those that attend those agree with him.

He is very different when talking to groups that don't agree with him.

He is also unable to lead.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 07:21

Those that think Corbyn isn't trying to take the party towards the hard left, he has just appointed Andrew Murray to head up his election campaign.

darceybussell · 15/05/2017 07:26

Why would we be taxing offshore companies which have nothing to do with the UK?

I understand why we would tax offshore companies who are trading in the UK and shifting profits overseas, and we are already doing that with the base erosion and profit shifting legislation.

People who are resident and domiciled in the U.K. (And also now non-doms who have lived here for a long time) can't just set up overseas companies because there is legislation that makes sure the profits are taxed on them directly.

I'm not sure what else people are suggesting we do. It makes me a bit mad when people say stuff like 'just tax the offshore companies' - yes, the Tories are already putting this in place, and no matter what you've read on social media, people can't just set up offshore companies and not pay tax - it doesn't work like that.

Themoreitsnowstiddlypom · 15/05/2017 07:41

Many parents are already struggling to pay fees?

Private ed is a privilege and a huge financial commitment, those struggling to pay should really assess their priorities especially if an increase in fees could happen for any reason at all. You can not commit to providing your child this privilege if you are going to struggle with fees you need to cut your cloth etc there is no shames in not being able to financially absorb fees etc, it is a huge commitment some can afford regardless of the risk of fee increases and that's great but they are privileged people shouldn't be trying to keep up when they just can't

NoLotteryWinYet · 15/05/2017 07:50

I don't have dc in private education but I do find blisteringly unsympathetic reactions to anybody's problems to be interesting - again, Corbyn's policies should be slowly introduced so he doesn't cause parents struggling to pay and their dc a stressful situation. It could be avoided by telegraphing the rise and allowing people a few years to re- optimise slowly, rather than causing a crash. So much of these policies is down to the implementation.

But obviously we don't care about the pain of rich people eh? I don't understand why we shouldn't all expect better implemented change. Crashing people out of their current education setting quickly doesn't seem desirable to me.

Ethylred · 15/05/2017 08:09

Corbyn is a dim, rigid, vain version of Michael Foot. This will be 1983 all over again. And if you've forgotten 1983, well, you're about to be reminded.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 15/05/2017 08:34

Valentine2 - I don't care what the people doing the LSE report are. I only know that the results are flawed. The most cursory reading makes that clear. What would you have liked the media to report about what Corbyn said? There was nothing good, was there?

YY, about Murray, who only left the Communist Party in December. So Corbyn seems to be spending more time with anti-Labour activists than with his own MPs. Par for the course.

makeourfuture · 15/05/2017 09:09

On Monday, a source close to Corbyn said: “It is simply untrue that Andrew is heading up the campaign. He has been seconded to support the campaign.”

Maybe he's good at campaigning?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 09:12

Maybe he's good at campaigning?

I don't care if he is or not tbh.

makeourfuture · 15/05/2017 09:13

Again, by your description Jeremy is either:

a). a hippy-dippy goofball useful idiot, or
b). a mastermind Soviet Satan

Oh and he rides a pinko commie pushbike...

makeourfuture · 15/05/2017 09:16

I don't care if he is or not tbh

Should I write in and suggest they run the office staff by you? I hear Darlene in accounting has a Wiccan tattoo.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 15/05/2017 09:17

Oh and he rides a pinko commie pushbike...

Is that the new name for a ministerial, chauffeur-driven limo?