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AIBU?

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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

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ComputerUserNotTrained · 15/05/2017 13:44

Fettucine where do those calculations come from?

NoLotteryWinYet · 15/05/2017 13:49

it'll depend what happens to average earnings in reality though - there must be a lot of childcare business owners concerned about these min wage adjustments

ExplodedCloud · 15/05/2017 14:03

A lot are already struggling with the funding gap from the 30 hours. They may shut down before the minimum wage hits £9 or £10

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 14:29

it'll depend what happens to average earnings in reality though - there must be a lot of childcare business owners concerned about these min wage adjustments

There are a fair number of small businesses that it will adversely affect too.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 15/05/2017 15:24

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 16:03

I see the 50p Army are in full affect on this thread

I see you still need to grow up....

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 16:04

Oh and you have it wrong. It is JC that seems to like employing people from the Communist Party.

FanjoForTheMammaries · 15/05/2017 16:11

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 16:19

And that was much maturer.

Well calling people trolls (which is what they have done) is against MN rules for starters, no matter how cleverly you think you have done it.

Apparently having a different view to someone means you are a troll, who new...

NoLotteryWinYet · 15/05/2017 17:00

the only party I'm a member of is the labour party, oddly, and I don't work for them in any capacity and it's obvious i'm not a fan of the current leadership :)

ChesGuitarra21 · 15/05/2017 17:18

So, Seahorses absolutely no evidence of what is wrong with the LSE study apart from your opinion that independent academic researchers are supposedly bias?! Right.

So no records in Hansard then?! Thought not. And you refer to his London Labour Briefings in the 80s - the one in particular "Britain only sits up and takes notice when it is bombed into doing so" was a condemnation of violence not an incitement (and it isn't even clear that he was the editor, when that was written). Providing a link to a Murdoch paper is not good evidence I'm afraid. And incidentally you do realise that there were a number of show trials and massive miscarriages of justice during the 1980s of supposed IRA terrorists, including the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four. I don't see how Corbyn holding a demo against a potentially politicallly motivated trial is him supporting the IRA. He was also arrested at a demo to free Mandela, at the same time that David Cameron was taking an all expenses trip to Apartheid South Africa, paid for by the Botha regime and belonged to a group calling for Mandela to be hanged. But hey ho.

You said Corbyn has stated he supported the killing of British soldiers by the IRA - a libellous statement. I have asked you to prove it and you can't.

Puzzled - no they haven't. You have provided me with links showing what other people have lied and misconstrued his stance as being, but nothing more and certainly no evidence.

ChesGuitarra21 · 15/05/2017 17:19

Also don't work for the Labour Party either, wish I could get paid for posting on social media, that would be a dream Grin

ChesGuitarra21 · 15/05/2017 17:23

And Theresa May employs Lynton Crosby, who notoriously favours dog-whistle tactics and who was responsible for Zac Goldsmiths disgusting and racist mayoral campaign.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 15/05/2017 21:26

I never said Hansard recorded Corbyn's encouragement of IRA bombings, although he is on record as speaking out against the Anglo-Irish and Belfast agreements. And Corbyn most certainly was on the editorial board of LLB magazine at the time.

As for the LSE report - I've used a little bit of common sense and explained why the researchers are biased. I see you cannot address those concerns based on factual evidence.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 15/05/2017 21:33

Reading through your comment again - DC's actions were despicable. It may surprise you, but this does not actually lessen the vileness of Corbyn's actions.

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