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AIBU?

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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

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littlehandcuffs · 10/05/2017 21:45

Not going to answer my point on free school meals? OK : ) I am assuming you can't.

Yabbadabbo2 · 10/05/2017 21:45

Really think your brushing over the IRA link to suit your argument.
Speaking at funerals, praising the brighton bombing and both corbyn and mcconnell opposed stages of the peace process.
The guy is unelectable and can promise whatever he wants as no right minded person believes he will get the chance to deliver it.
Also a £10 minimum wage will hit the poorest they may earn more but things will cost more it's simple economics.

Allthebestnamesareused · 10/05/2017 21:45

Personally I think there are far many more Tory bashing threads on here but each to their own!

FelixtheMouse · 10/05/2017 21:46

If he drops the Great Repeal Bill how does he propose to ensure that any EU based legislation remains in force after Brexit? As for "no deal is better than a bad deal" I would have said that was self evidently the case. Where will the cash to protect EU funding come from?
I am not a Tory but nothing on this thread is making me incline to vote Labour.

Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 21:46

I want to see him on live TV debating May but she won't budge. I want to know what she is afraid of? Her party lost 8 points in a week then regained some then lost some again. this is volatile and she is refusing to come in front of the nation unless it's with her husband telling us about her domestic work division done by hired help I am sure and the little harmonious home life, cookery skills slightly irrelevant to the running of the country etc.
I have watched PMQs too many times and I think May just needs and sneers and acts on a script. If one of my colleagues does that kind of a show in front of us, we would campaign to get rid of them. But that's our PM so of course that's different.
Anyway, ranting aside, I genuinely want to see them in a live debate. Everyone does that FFS! What is she hiding from?

Teabagtits · 10/05/2017 21:48

He's made Labour unelectable

Wasn't that the same accusation flung at Brown and Milliband? I think it takes more than one person to make labour unelectable and the pathetic infighting and inability to pull together for a common cause (to beat the Tories) is what makes them unelectable. And I say that as a non labour supporter!

TessTube · 10/05/2017 21:49

Mrs Ruby,

Fair play to you for taking this on.

How about that time he got paid 20k to appear on that dodgy Iranian telly.

uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-press-tv-iran-money-labour-leadership-2016-9

YouWouldntLetItLie · 10/05/2017 21:50

how can you be typing on your phone and still manage to make big tick bullet points? almost as if you were copying a press release

YANBU to want to weigh in for Jeremy Corbyn but YABU not to make at least a token effort to disguise the party political broadcast. Stick some typos in your cut and paste bits, at least.

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 21:51

2014newme
I genuinely am totally baffled by your stance - you usually vote labour but won't because you don't like JC? Despite his policies being pure unadulterated Labour, best for the country compared to the Tories (who have offered nothing) - he 'lands a punch' at every PMQT opposite TM by speaking for actual real people instead of corporations and wealthy donors.
The conservatives get behind their leader whoever is fronting the show because they all have the same aims. To not support your twice elected leader smacks of treachery.

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FelixtheMouse · 10/05/2017 21:52

What has TM to gain from a live debate? If she "wins" she's still the incumbent PM with all the electoral advantages that gives her; if Corbyn "wins" she's still the incumbent etc etc. No incumbent political figure ever has anything to gain from such debates.

TessTube · 10/05/2017 21:52

Treachery? Bloody hell. Grin

Witchend · 10/05/2017 21:53

And the political parties follow the Dm and sign up to MN...
This election was fought on mn Grin

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 21:53

Chippednailvarnish
Except for all the people who joined the Labour Party to elect him twice and want to elect him now.

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Peanutbutterfingers · 10/05/2017 21:53

Please don't quote low expenses. The MPs I know claim middling expenses but this goes to pay for their office and their staff, who deal with hundreds of cases a week. I am suspicious of low claiming MPs, they're not working!

GerdaLovesLili · 10/05/2017 21:54

But didn't the Labour Party just put this out...

To want to counter these lies?
Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 21:55

I agree with teabag. I don't think I can call myself a life long Labour supporter at all. Yet, the kind of lack of unity and the infighting made me angry on Labour MPs far more than on Corbyn. He came through a process and that's democracy. Again, you want to change it then go on and change it but anyone who washes their dirty laundry in public is bound to loose. Tories have divisions and we know how much backstabbing happened right after Brexit vote. But they have the mainly right wing media on their side. And they unite behind their interests leaders in the end. We can't say the same for Labour MPs and it is disgraceful. They know the media is not on their side, they know they haven't got the power of scum like Murdoch or Dacre behind them. Yet they went on and on with infighting. It takes two to tango and the public knows this.

Peanutbutterfingers · 10/05/2017 21:55

All the people who joined the Labour Party are less than 2% of the electorate...

FelixtheMouse · 10/05/2017 21:55

"He lands a punch at every PMQT"
I call bullshit. Corbyn is awful at PMQs. Sometimes it's painful to watch.
I assume OP you are a Labour Party hack doing your canvassing on MN rather than door-to-door.

Smellbellina · 10/05/2017 21:56

He would be a crap prime minister. I don't give a shit about his principles or how long he has been an mp

What because he's not Jazzy enough for you? Confused
So experience and principles count nothing in the stakes for being the PM?
No wonder we've had a few corkers eh.

I'm Lib Dem, but will be voting Labour.

Peanutbutterfingers · 10/05/2017 21:56

I'm a life long labour activist btw, who is utterly heartbroken by all the lives which will be ruined by Jezzas vanity project.

Jupitar · 10/05/2017 21:56

stilldrivingmebonkers
He doesn't make claims for personal expenses, looking at the breakdowns of those claims it's all staff wages and office costs, plus £400 a year for train fares. No one expects mps to pay wages and office costs out of their own pocket.

FlyingDuck · 10/05/2017 21:57

I am anti Corbyn myself BUT the expenses he claims are largely staff costs - constituency caseworkers and support staff. That's completely normal for MPs. How else would that work get done?

Corbyn has always stood out amongst MPs for his low claims, and he never sought reimbursement for all those tiny little costs that were revealed in the expenses expose of other Members' claims.

Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 21:57

I am suspicious of low claiming MPs, they're not working

How does that explain Corbyn's constant presence in parliament from his consituency?
I really want to see these two debating live.

Garlicansapphire · 10/05/2017 21:57

Thowback politics. But its just irrelevant. If he stands for the many not the few then presumably he will win a landslide. Lets see if it resonates with the masses. Though maybe those who lived through the 70s dont fancy going back again.

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 10/05/2017 21:57

OP Most of your first post is a direct lift from here:

www.souththanetlabour.org.uk/blog

So this is a party political broadcast. Classy.