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AIBU?

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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

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ShatnersWig · 11/05/2017 09:58

Christmas Because he was voted by party members and the might of the Unions, not by his MPs.

Gruffalosgrandma · 11/05/2017 10:16

Bloody hell Christmas you could be scarily correct.

TessTube · 11/05/2017 10:20

If people wanted his version of Labour they would vote for it, surely?

His popularity outside his core group of supporters is poor.

Conspiracy theories gone mad.

He's control of his manifesto, this is his show and he is going to need to own it, win or lose.

TessTube · 11/05/2017 10:22

www.newstatesman.com/2016/07/jeremy-corbyn-and-paranoid-style

I linked this yesterday and found it an interesting read.

Gruffalosgrandma · 11/05/2017 10:42

Yep, that's paranoia and it's not JC's.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/05/2017 10:45

There have been about eleventy billion threads saying, to paraphrase, 'Jeremy is lovely and anyone who doesn't see it is a sheeple who reads the Daily Mail'

That's true, but in view of the car crash JC's making of things it's perhaps all some of his supporters have left - and as ever the devil's in the detail, as Bill Sykes made very clear earlier in demolishing suggested "policies" which clearly hadn't been thought through at all

As someone who wants an effective opposition, it's terrible to see the endless search for someone else to blame, when actually the responsibility lies squarely on the party - and especially it's leader - who've made it utterly unelectable

greenworm · 11/05/2017 10:45

You really believe Labour are going to win the election Christmas? I know polls can be wrong but they'd have to be catastrophically wrong or there'd have to be a sea change of public opinion over the next few weeks for this to happen!

TessTube · 11/05/2017 10:47

Well it's you that thinks letting him run ON HIS OWN MANIFESTO is some mad new labour plot.

Just getting all the excuses ready because if he loses obviously it will be everyone else's fault but his.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 11/05/2017 11:07

The manifesto is surprisingly moderate and very sensible - I am happy to pay a bit more corporation tax - we find ourselves in a privileged place owning a successful business and carrying a bit more of the burden as a result is fine by me. If I hear "weak leader" "uncharismatic" "sums don't add up" (which sums are they exactly - considering we've only just been given an idea of their proposed policies?) I'll scream. I can think of many leaders, both historically and currently, who had oodles of charisma, along with evil policies and heinous crimes on their hands (not naming names for fear of being called melodramatic - although someone with a disability or terminal illness who's just been told they're fit for work may disagree with you) - and I'd take a principled individual with a desire for fairness and equality any day of the week.

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 11:14

I can remember the railways when they a national resource, they were awful! Constant strikes, very high fares and they were running at a massive loss! The unions basically held the country to ransome. Please don't let us go back to that!

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 11:16

I can't be the only one to think all these gushing pro-Corbyn posts all over social media over the past two days is a "Momentum" media push?

ShatnersWig · 11/05/2017 11:16

It saddens me to say this in many ways, but I do think for the most part, the railways are running better than they were in the 70s and early 80s and the days of British Rail. Do I think there are still issues? Very definitely, one or two franchises aren't up to it. The pricing structure is bizarre. I'm not convinced renationalising them would improve the overall picture but some state regulation regards pricing as part of the franchising could work.

Valentine2 · 11/05/2017 11:23

very high fares
Can you please given an example of if the fares, using an increase per year figure?
I have been paying for rail fares and London Underground and it made my blood boil how tube fare was increased far above the inflation rate every year.

ComputerUserNotTrained · 11/05/2017 11:26

Tess that's such a good article. Christmas the final bit of the article Tess linked to sums up my thoughts very well - For Corbyn and his followers there is no compromise, only purity, and a Red Labour party with 50 MPs is better than a centrist party with 400.

goose1964 · 11/05/2017 11:31

The BBC is so biased because it's politics editor is an old Etonian who went to school with Cameron

ShatnersWig · 11/05/2017 11:37

Goose So don't watch it. Just like you don't need to read the Daily Mail. But actually, if you ignore any commentary and just listen to the words emanating from the lips of the politicians, or watch live Parliamentary debates. That's what I do.

ExplodedCloud · 11/05/2017 11:39

little you need to look at Southern Rail. It's a loss making venture propped up by a Conservative government, unable to operate a full service. And that's without the industrial action.

FanjoForTheMammaries · 11/05/2017 11:43

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littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 11:44

Valentine, "Give an example of increase fares giving an increase per year figure" Hahahahahahaha! Yes from the '70's onwards : ) I'm not a politician, nor do I work for the railways or unions but I do remember how awful it was and that it cost my mum nearly £500.00 (massive ammount in those days) to take me and my two siblings to Glasgow from Portsmouth) and having ticket prices increase to the point I had to stop taking the train to work and take 3 buses and a ferry journey instead : ) It was my first job but lots of others had to do it too....and of course the constant strikes with no notice...all out!

littlehandcuffs · 11/05/2017 11:48

Exploded, yes, it's not good they need to loose the franchise, but believe me If you imagine that and worse going on all over the country all the time that is what it was like.

OllyBJolly · 11/05/2017 11:58

He's made Labour unelectable

Labour were heading headlong into unelectability before Corbyn came along. He gathered a huge popular following but thwarted at every turn by the careerist Labour MPs who don't want change - many of them want Tory lite. Jeremy Corbyn could have saved Labour, but the egos won't let him.

Look at Scotland - Labour is heading towards third party status with every possibility they will be fourth after the GE. Makes me weep.

dotandstripe · 11/05/2017 12:01

Those extra bank holidays would mean about £1,000-2,000 in lost income for many self-employed people.

TessTube · 11/05/2017 12:02

So you are upset that Jeremy Corbyn could have saved Labour but the people he's supposed to be saving it for aren't voting for him?

This is his chance. He's got a crack at a General Election on his policies.

Why shouldn't he take ownership of that?

TessTube · 11/05/2017 12:04

Yes absolutely there were issues before he came along.

People were saying that Labour didn't go far enough, they weren't sufficiently anti austerity.

But still they are losing support there - it's getting worse not better.

Who are you miffed with about that?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/05/2017 12:12

Nobody disputes that the party had problems before Corbyn, but was there really any need to make them worse?

Rightly or wrongly, it appears an historic truth that this country just doesn't "do" hard left governments, so what's the point in the stance they're taking if they really do hope to be elected

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