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AIBU?

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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

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Eggsellent · 11/05/2017 22:22

Thanks for this thread op. I will be voting labour, Corbyn isn't perfect but then no one is. He is one of very few politicians who is actually on the side of the people.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 00:14

Or as a self employed person you could choose to work over public holidays. I have done this.

Well that very much depends on what trade you are in doesn't it.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 07:58

Valentine you have missed out the point that David Blanchflower resigned working with them after that article as he found it impossible to work with Corbyn and his team.

His article on it is here..

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/i-advised-jeremy-corbyn-economics-team-learn-fast--no-credible-plan-labour-leadership

user1490734428 · 12/05/2017 09:22

To anyone saying he's a shambles/unelecatable because he can't cope with the relentless vile media campaign against him - that's ridiculous. No other politician right now has had as much scrutiny and utter bollocks - no-one has hounded Theresa May over her hairstyle, bicycle, bus journey, about 10 different petty things a day.

You have to think why they're doing this - obviously because JC is the biggest threat to corporate structure and the richest people. Obviously they don't want him to win, hence the smear campaign.

If you think he's "unelectable" as a result of what you've read in newspaper, you're a sad victim of the media.

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 12/05/2017 09:30

Hey, random new user have you actually read anything here or are you an example of "Momentum" and the party political broadcasting event this week?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 09:30

no-one has hounded Theresa May over her hairstyle, bicycle, bus journey, about 10 different petty things a day.

No they hound her over her shoes, why she doesn't have children etc.

If you think he's "unelectable" as a result of what you've read in newspaper, you're a sad victim of the media.

No I don't think he's unelectable because of the media.

All this 'it's the media's fault' is getting tiresome.

How about the Labour leadership take responsibility for what is about to happen. Far easier to blame everyone else though isn't it.

HTH

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 10:27

User speaks sense

So if Labour loses numerous seats this election that's all the media's fault is it? Northing to do with the leadership what so ever?

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 10:30

Quite a lot of it is yes.

Always some one else to blame isn't there.

ExplodedCloud · 12/05/2017 10:36

I thought it was Andrea Leadsom that made an issue of Mr & Mrs May not having children and that was blown into a leadership race winning issue by the media.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 10:44

I thought it was Andrea Leadsom that made an issue of Mr & Mrs May not having children and that was blown into a leadership race winning issue by the media.

No it was brought up again by Nicky Ferrari in the LBC leaders debate yesterday evening.

ExplodedCloud · 12/05/2017 10:47

Who?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 10:53

LBC Radio (a very popular phone in station) presenter Nicky Ferrari who is hosting leadership phone in with all party leaders.

Last night was Theresa May.

Tim Farron, Jeremy Corbyn and Paul Nuttall will also have their own individual programmes before the election.

ExplodedCloud · 12/05/2017 11:01

I googled the name and all that came up was a porn star Confused

Anyway if an issue was made of it on LBC then I think that is unfair too. It shouldnt be but if it's the first time since the leadership battle it's not quite the same as the barrage of stuff thrown at Corbyn.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 11:14

Sorry it is Nick Ferrari. don't know where the y came from

It is the presenter that caught Diane Abbott out on her figures. although he didn't have to try tbf

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ExplodedCloud · 12/05/2017 11:21

Ah OK. I'd heard a little bit of the Diane Abbott shambles on the news but I don't listen to much radio besides R4.

user1490734428 · 12/05/2017 11:57

Look at MailOnline today for example - about a dozen very negative conspiratorial articles about Corbyn, the cameraman incident, how his policies would be disasters, some bollocks opinions from Tony Blair, etc

One article about Theresa May's interview showing her in a positive and sympathetic light.

Corbyn media bias is insane. It's documented everywhere.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2017/837-undermining-democracy-corporate-media-bias-on-jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson-and-syria.html

It's very naive to think this hasn't consciously or subconsciously shaped everyone's views of him, even if you claim "It's not personal, I just don't like his policies".

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/05/2017 12:04

but equally, I really, really don't like some of his policies.

All this media bias stuff, it just shows the militant left's fundamental disrespect for voters - this is a very slightly updated version of the belief that people not voting for him have a false consciousness because we are unable to see past the rhetoric of the ruling class.

This is the same sort of reason Lenin and Stalin allowed purges - some people, peasants, for example, just couldn't get past their false consciousness and have to be eliminated.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 12:32

NoLotteryWinYet

Completely agree.

makeourfuture · 12/05/2017 12:53

This is the same sort of reason Lenin and Stalin allowed purges - some people, peasants, for example, just couldn't get past their false consciousness and have to be eliminated.

You guys need to make up your mind. Is he a harmless hapless old professor...or a sinister Satan.

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