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AIBU?

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To want to counter these lies?

315 replies

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 20:48

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

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Sara107 · 10/05/2017 21:59

Well, a lot of people say that they like Labour's policies ( when they don't know whose they are!), But it's not a lie to say that Corbyn comes across badly. I say that as someone who we excited by his election as party leader, but I have found him deeply disappointing. I don't think he has any leadership qualities at all. Yes he's been an MP for a long while, but only ever sitting on the back benches, doing his own thing. He can't even bring himself to say that he would like to be prime minister! Which makes me think he would hate it, and is quite happy to remain as leader of the opposition, with his 'fans' reinforcing his own world view. So he doesn't speak to me as somebody who is really committed to ousting the Tories. And his campaigning during the Brexit vote was feeble, it was very unclear as to which side he was even on, and his 'remain' speeches were waffly and discursive and full of stuff about what was wrong with the EU. A Labour leader who had campaigned strongly, clearly and passionately for remain and made it very clear why remaining was a good idea for working people may have swung the vote.
Btw, I wouldn't find 4 more bank holidays helpful, entitlement to 4 extra days of annual leave which you could take when you needed would be far more useful and family friendly.

Gruffalosgrandma · 10/05/2017 22:00

Not charismatic enough ...... and Theresa May is?? Really??
Doesn't appeal to the people? Then why is he speaking to crowds of enthusiastic people ...over 100 in York whilst we see Theresa May speaking to small select gatherings with dead pan faces reminiscent of N Korea.

Mummmy2017 · 10/05/2017 22:00

It all went wrong when Ed stabbed David in the back, I sat and watched in disbelief as the labor party killed it's self.

Ed was a baffoon, and NS said she was going to lead him round by the short and curlies...

The Libs commited the unmentionable in their lust to have power...

Que Jeremy C,. it's a case of a man of the people, but when it comes to ticking the box, people can't bare to tick his box as they don't trust him... come back David M. all is forgiven ,, oh no he won't come back as his wages are too high.

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MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 22:02

Stilldrivingmebonkers

You are absolutely correct and I am wrong. It was a very poor choice indeed to use the term 'pittance'. Obviously he claims a huge amount of expenses, in the same region as TM and many others.
I should have been more careful and said simply that he was not involved in expenses scandal.
London seems like an expensive place to run an office!

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Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 22:03

I call bullshit. Corbyn is awful at PMQs. Sometimes it's painful to watch
What? You really consider the sneering face of answer-avoiding May is the face you want to keep seeing the next five years?
I think he shines in PMQs. That's how decent men talk. And that's how you should talk on national affairs. I don't want noisy, shouty, pseudo hyper May at it for another five years. I want to see discussion, not a prime minister who avoids answering questions.

dangermouseisace · 10/05/2017 22:04

I'm beginning to doubt the unelectable rhetoric.

I thought he was unelectable, but lots of friends and acquaintances have said they'll be voting Labour, far more than I imagined given the rather gloomy press.

I've actually come around to him a bit, after initially despairing. And seriously, Theresa May is the embodiment of Nasty Tory. She's definitely my 'worst option' in my voting criteria of 'least worst option' (as the chance that I'll agree with everything some politician says is very slim).

DJBaggySmalls · 10/05/2017 22:04

YANBU, but you forgot one;

Labour wont put up income tax for anyone other than the top 5% of earners. You;d have to be earning £80,000 or more to be affected.

Sandsnake · 10/05/2017 22:04

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39856464

I found this article about Corbyn's online supporters really interesting.

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 22:08

Littlehandcuffs
I am one person trying answer all the replies on my phone! Patience is a virtue!
Should the stretched (Upper) middle find that increased fees mean they can't afford private schools any longer, they should find that there will be a lot more money available for state schools due to diverted funds from scrapped free schools and grammars.

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Squishedstrawberry4 · 10/05/2017 22:09

I like all those points!!

bluegreenyellow · 10/05/2017 22:10

no scandal what about how he divorced his ex wife because he wanted a worst education for his child. but ill make a prediction hell loose and you will blame everyone else for his loss apart from his lack of leadership and his shameful principles.

Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 22:10

What has TM to gain from a live debate?
Sorry but this election is about this nation. Even a blind person can't deny that the media of our country is largely right wing. The main shop of my nearby village has a board of The Sun stuck on its front, as I high as possible, in fact higher than the shop's name. I never bought anything there and never would.
Live tv debate gives the audience a big chance to decide what kind of policies both sides are putting forward. We can see their faces, body language and stances live and without script.
Why does that not matter?

TinfoilHattie · 10/05/2017 22:10

Yawn yawn yawn.

You think he's the Second Coming, I think he's a shambles, a mess, completely lacking in credibility and even more lacking in judgement as he's appointed Diane Abbott and John McDonnel.

Smellbellina · 10/05/2017 22:12

he divorced his ex wife because he wanted a worst education for his child

Hahaha you do realise how ridiculous that sounds

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 22:14

Yabbadabbo2
I'm wasn't there - I'm not going to claim a first hand witnessing of NI conflict. But as far as I can find, he has principles and has historically stood for peace.
How will £10 wage differ so vastly from the £9 wage proposed by Tories? Will only Labour £19 notes break the economy? Conservative pounds being more bouncy? Smile

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Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 22:14

Ffs no scandal what about how he divorced his ex wife because he wanted a worst education for his child
That's very goady and judgmental. Just as I have no care in the world who puts bins out in the May household, I also don't care what Corbyn's does in his personal life and why he divided his wife so long as it wasn't cheating.
We should focus on policies and debate them and them only.

FelixtheMouse · 10/05/2017 22:14

You may see a "decent man" at PMQs, I see a man out of his depth. If he was any good May wouldn't be able to wriggle out of giving answers. It's not as though she wipes the floor with him; she totally ignores him.

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 22:14

Yabbadabbo2
Wish there were £19 notes but I meant £10 ones obviously

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GladAllOver · 10/05/2017 22:15

Should the stretched (Upper) middle find that increased fees mean they can't afford private schools any longer, they should find that there will be a lot more money available for state schools due to diverted funds from scrapped free schools and grammars.

You haven't thought that through. If those schools are scrapped they will have to be replaced with new schools for the students thrown out.

MariafromMalmo · 10/05/2017 22:15

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Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 22:15

Divorced, not divided. Blush

Smellbellina · 10/05/2017 22:16

It's not as though she wipes the floor with him; she totally ignores him.
That says more about her then it does him

Mummmy2017 · 10/05/2017 22:16

Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn confirmed yesterday that he and his wife have separated after a disagreement over whether their son should be educated at one of the country's best grammar schools or at the local inner city comprehensive.

MrsRuby · 10/05/2017 22:17

Valentine2
I agree - live debate is just what's needed.

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