AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

NRFT but I'd just like to put the point in as I'm sure someone will say 'foxes kill for fun, they will kill all 50 chickens in a coop and leave them there' that, if YOU left the dead chickens there, the fox would come back repeatedly and gradually eat them. It's larder feeding. Not killing for a laugh like the idiots on horseback.

CricketRuntAndRashers

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I grew up hunting. Just to put this in context. It was part of my childhood.

It was part of pest control and there's a great deal of research to show that the killing of a fox by dogs is less cruel than traps or a fox being shot but not killed.

It's also very much not an upper class thing. The people on the hunts I used to be a member of were from across society, just all rural.

I don't for a second think it will be legalised.

But I also know for a fact that it hasn't ever stopped, not really.

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Oh hahaha! Perfect Fenella. Genuinely didn't see your post first!

Oh hahaha! Perfect Fenella. Genuinely didn't see your post first!

Oh hahaha! Perfect Fenella. Genuinely didn't see your post first!

And yet many people against hunting still buy the cheapest chicken. Or even worse, don't care about issues like human trafficking, child brides, genital mutiliation, gay rights etc...

How did you come to the conclusion people care 'more' about fox hunting that those issues? As for factory bred food, no it isn't ok. However, it's the cheapest option for most people, and many people are struggling too much to be able to make 'better' food choices. At least their deaths, as awful as it is, serve a purpose. Fox hunting is seen as evil because it's pointless. Killing for the joy of it is the worst reason for taking a life.

stopfuckingshoutingatme

Some other posters (and I) have actually already made similar comments before... And yet nobody seems to have read them. (or they are simply unwilling to answer).
Anyhow, interesting thread, but I have to go. Bye ;)

Chickenrunt has said exactly what I would say. Well put!

Yanbu at all

Still goes on round here and it is utterly vile. I don't get the argument that because some other animals suffer it's okay to hunt, talk about false equivalency. There is no reason to chase a terrified animal around and rip it apart, no reason at all. It is not justifiable in any way shape or form.

Foxes kill chickens, doesn't mean you should rip them apart with dogs.

Other animals suffer, still doesn't mean you get to rip them apart with dogs.

Foxes are a pest, nope, still doesn't mean you get to chase them around and rip them apart with dogs.

Didn't see your your second post Chickenrunt but agree with most of that too.

I'm just going to point out that foxes don't kill merely to eat. They are one of the few species that kill for pleasure. A fox in a henhouse won't just kill the one it needs for food, it will kill them all for shits and giggles

And I am just going to point out that you are wrong. It would store them, it's called caching and is natural animal behaviour.

abernathy tell that to the chickens, or their owners.... I'm merely pointing out that when people in the countryside are 'unsentimental' about foxes, it is because they are in effect mass killers when it comes to chickens, ducks, lambs etc. I'm not pro-fox hunting however I am extremely unsentimental about them, because I've seen the damage they can do on a killing spree.

False: This accusation is untrue: foxes do not kill for fun. Most animals need to find food every day to survive. Some nights are better than others in terms of food for a fox so, given the opportunity, foxes will always kill surplus food and cache (bury) it, to eat on another night when hunting is less good. This is a very successful strategy for surviving in the wild

However, when a fox breaks into a hen house it is surrounded by easily caught prey. Its normal behaviour, and a good survival strategy is to kill all prey available and try to cache it. Given the option, the fox will come back for the remaining corpses and cache them. The solution is easy: securely house your animals

Can someone please explain to me (an immigrant who wasn't around at the time of the original ban) why so many British people are so passionate about fox hunting? Surely only a very small proportion of people were actually hunting and this was a minor sport?

Is it because this type of killing is far crueller than other types of killing (i.e. factory farming as a PP mentioned)? Is it because foxes are cute? Is it because the general public dislike posh people and their hobbies?

Now that's the question. I really can't understand why this is all being dragged up again and why it causes such hysteria when there are many more important and worthy causes for people to get het up about. I hate to think how much money and Parliamentary time went into the hunting bill, and am horrified that it seems as if it's going to happen all over again.

I think some of it is a sort of jealousy thing - most of us want to live in a big house in the country.

Appalled that it's grabbing headlines again - what a massive waste of money and time, and it is so insignificant to the politics of the country.

Basically, people who want the foxes dead are psychopaths according to the OP, yet it's fine that we are losing our chickens, ducks, lambs etc.

as my amazing fil used to say

"fox got yer chicken', then yer no good at keepin' chickens"

People can care about more than one issue at a time Benjamin.

Doesn't matter if you don't like foxes, why the hell would you want to rip them apart with dogs? Why?

The foxes are killed in their own environment. It is not the killing of the foxes per se that people want to see but just being out in the country with the dogs and horses. Nature documentaries show animals killing each other but it's not the death of the creature that you would watch them for though is it?
Foxes get killed by shooting ( or cars) regardless. Why is it worse to kill them the way they kill other creatures or the way they would be killed if left in the wild.
There are no nursing homes or hospitals for animals in the wild. They get sick and die slowly or get eaten.

So hunting them and ripping them apart is what? A kindness? Seriously?

in a country where a massive proportion of the meat eaten is factory farmed chickens, and pork, I can't see why all this fuss over fox hunting.

I think it's a class thing. A way for the working/middle classes to bash the toffs.

I'm working class myself, but I don't have strong feelings either way about fox hunting. Yes it is cruel and despicable to hunt foxes. But so is the way billions of chickens are treated every year in UK.

Frankly I care more about that as an issue.

I'd love to think that everyone who is opposed to fox hunting is also opposed to factory farming of animals for meat, but it's quite obvious that isn't the case. Because cheap bacon, and chicken tikka masala.

So many pets have been mauled or killed when hunts go astray too, bloody Muppets.

Agree with every word of that post BeMorePanda.