Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

livia I absolutely agree about the echo chamber, I think the trouble is we have lost the art of debate.

I won't vote Tory it would kill me but I can't vote labour. I can't support a lost cause and know Corbyn and the front bench team are useless and unelectable.

Hoping he steps down after the defeat so labour can regroup under a credible electable leader and can fight for the rights of working people and the disabled in 5 years but fear the Tories will have wreaked Jarvik by then.

And for that I blame Corbyn himself and his supporters.

Havok sorry

Definitely. I have seen so many comments about Tories/brexiteers only voting that way because they are thick or evil - it makes anyone who says that lose all credibility. Namecalling to someone with a different opinion should have died out before people leave school!

I have to admit I lost my shit a bit after Brexit.

But look how many people are planning to vote Tory. They cannot all be evil swines that hate disabled people. I can't believe that.

Some people actually genuinely believe that it would be better than the alternative.

77 - May closes Climate Change Department.

Reasons I won't vote Labour

1. Corbyn indulges antisemitism
2. Corbyn cosies up to terrorists for a pose
3. Corbyn 's front bench team can't run a piss up in a brewery
4. I disagree with my local Labour MP on a local issue.

I won't vote Tory.

And disagreeing with someone doesn't mean they are 'turkeys voting for Christmas' or 'too thick to understand' etc. I voted remain but was actually embarrassed by some of the posts on here.

The idea of people voting for something because they believe it is the right thing is pretty inherent. But I'm surprised to see a lot of people lack the imagination to understand that.

And being aggressive to those people won't exactly turn them around - I genuinely regretted voting to remain in case people thought i was like that

Conservative voters:
Do you realise that the current Government has set a level of average earnings, and then decided to pay those who are on benefits £6000 less than that per year?!

Sorry, love, but why should benefits equal average earnings?

I sort of agree with the echo chamber. I started a thread the other day wondering if anyone had every had their minds changed by a thread on here.

Radishal but why are you playing the person and not the policies?

Would another 5 years of conservative policies mean the population of the UK will be better for it? And how specifically will it be better. Leaders change.

1. Bedroom tax Not paying benefits for empty rooms.
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people Stopping welfare to those that dont need it.
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds Live with your parents or pay your own rent.
4. Benefit cap Stopping benefits abuse.
5. Rise in uni tuition fees Making high earning graduates pay their fair share.
6. Junior doctors' contracts Better hospital care at weekends.
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries Bringing nurses in line with other students.
8. Snoopers' charter Keeping people safe.
9. Social care cuts Living within our means.
10. Public sector pay freeze Living within our means.

10. NHS "10 year diet" Living within our means.

Love? And your point is what exactly?
Those on benefits should get the same as average earnings, as Radishal says?
That sounds like a great way to get benefit costs down.
Oh wait, Labour don't need to do that, do they?

Leaders change - from your mouth to God's ears. In the unlikely event Corbyn wins, he's not going to resign in favour of , e.g Cooper.

Corbyn isn't planning to though plus there is talk he's planning to endure he's got a suitable successor.

Plus of course in principle a lot of the policies are hard to disagree with (though a do a few)

But don't you wonder how the fuck it's going to practically get paid for?

I'm aware there is a costed manifesto on the way. I hope it's robust.

Lovegrammar I have more issue with sanctions and the length of time it takes to establish a claim.

Love what do you want people to say? Oh okay I am too stupid to read anything so that has turned me right round.

Nobody had their political opinions turned round by reading MN

Why should someone in benefits get the same as me? Why should I or my partner bother working if we'd get the same on benefits? Seriously?

Radishal

Those "average" earnings are still about £4000 lower than the amount it statistically costs to raise a family in the UK. How do you expect a family with no income to find £10000 per year? Even the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Welfare Delivery has admitted that simple budgeting will not make up for the shortfall. Many of the people who have been subject to benefit cuts are unable to work as they are disabled or are kinship carers, and have been refused Discretionary Housing Payments.

We all have access to the same information - people vote for who they feel will be the best for their view of how the country should be run.

Because their supporters send racist tweets to someone who made a Jeremy Corbyn scent

Because the party head office ban news outlets that where one of the go to publications of its supporters.

And that

Sorry, love, but why should benefits equal average earnings?
Carer's Allowance should. We work damned hard and save the government a fortune.
So should disability benefits, people don't choose to be disabled.

1. But poorer people still pay it rather than move, peoples local connections mean more to them than money therefore the tax is regressive and has not freed up properties which are needed FAILED
2. Huge numbers reapplying on appeal and winning, poorly implemented policy resulting in a number of deaths FAILED
3. 18-24, hardest hit are care leavers and younger parents (peak age of fertility is this age bracket) you can be a fully contributing member of soceity, yet on a low wage with a family and suffer financially for this FAIL
4. Benefit cap - anti fraud measures were in place before this policy, benefit cap AkA universal credit is now a monthly merged payment instead of several small ones, which means any delay or processing problem and a person gets NO money FAIL
5. Yes I can see the student loan book is making a tonne of money, oh no wait, it isnt as the vast majority of graduates are actually on fairly mediocre money HALF FAIL
6. Junior doctors contracts @ juries out - but as theyve got transferrable skills and brains in their heads- i reckon theyll go elsewhere, proof in the pudding.

Leaders change - from your mouth to God's ears. In the unlikely event Corbyn wins, he's not going to resign in favour of , e.g Cooper.

If you are a Labour member you can vote in a new leader - it is democratic.

Jeremy Corbyn is our democratically elected leader.

Why do you hate democracy so much?