Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

There we go. Dosent like Corbyn, hates democracy.

Yes that follows

Bit fed up with these goady posts OP (not just you, but many others at the moment)
Everyone has their own views.

If you want to vote for Labour or LD or anyone else, fine.

But why bother to broadcast it here?

i did vote I am a member of the party. I voted for a sensible candidate!

Why do I and people who disagree with you hate democracy?

Dawn, you said "benefits " not "specific benefits ". I have MS . I've been a carer. Don't try to blackmail me with inaccurate sweeping statements.

It's so bloody tedious

1. Removing the bursary has led to less students, hhmmm i wonder, where shall we get those nurses?
2. Snoopers charter -keeping people safe at what cost? No, i mean literally, how much are we paying for gchq to monitor emojii?
3. Social care is a wheelchair for doris who cant get out of the house otherwise, and a bath for fred as his wife has died and cant wash himself or feed himself anymore, perhaps you already look after a doris and fred, perhaps you think the community should, but presently social care is the backstop.

10. Public sector payfreeze and nhs diet YAY so local workers get to foot the bill for an artificially low intrest rates to control inflation, woopee! now remind me, its been seven fucking years, how have you not got that shit together yet?

I'm actually 😂😂😂😂 at hating democracy

1. But poorer people still pay it rather than move. Their choice SUCCESS
2. Huge numbers reapplying on appeal and winning That's how its supposed to work SUCCESS
3. 18-21 You can't just chose to start your adult life on benefits and get a free house SUCCESS
4. anti fraud measures were in place before this policy people on benefits should not get paid more than people who work SUCCESS
5. the vast majority of graduates are actually on fairly mediocre money more students from poorer backgrounds going to university SUCCESS
6. Junior doctors contracts @ juries out - but government was able to break the union SUCCESS

She probably kicks puppies too.

Jeremy Corbyn - 313,209 (61.80%)

Owen Smith -193,229 (38.20%)

Make-that means nothing for the GE.

www.newstatesman.com/2016/07/jeremy-corbyn-and-paranoid-style

I read this the other day, found it interesting.

Yes I can see the student loan book is making a tonne of money, oh no wait, it isnt as the vast majority of graduates are actually on fairly mediocre money HALF FAIL

OK, so you agree the degree has become devalued (labour policy) and remember that there was a cap set of the amount of fees universities where allowed to charge, all uni's decided to go to the maximum across the board.

So to reverse this trend we offer limited free further education which means less people going to uni and job losses, or we accept that the current system actually favours the poorer youths to go to uni.

You can't have both.

Not sure what your AIBU is but you are being unreasonable to try to tell he how to vote.

Thanks Tess. Interesting read

I would love to live in Jeremy's kingdom but unfortunately we have no magic money tree. Still it's ok Dianne has costed it all.

Come back Blaire, brown and milliband all is forgiven.

Hopefully Yvette will get the leadership.

1. Not much of a flipping choice, squeeze 40 per month out of someone, at those margins i doubt its even cost effective FAIL
2. With a load of anxiety and bureaucracy in between, and i doubt its even cost effective FAIL
3. WHAT you get a free house? Where? And its actually a bedsit, usually a shit one.
4. People in work get a shit deal from shit employers, but everyone should have enough for a roof over head and food in their belly.
5. Where did you get that poorer students still go to university in the same numbers? I think youll find its decreased.
6. Whoopdeedo you broke a union, seriously, thats sucess to you? not a sustainable deal or a reasonable discusion of concerns but an adversarial pissing contest? Biggest FAIL

1. Removing the bursary has led to less students, hhmmm I thought there was millions of people on zero hours contracts desperate for the stability of a full time job
2. Snoopers charter -keeping people safe at what cost? How much do you value life in a terrorist attack?
3. Social care is a wheelchair for doris.. Getting our debt under control will enable us to put more into social care.

10. Public sector pay freeze and nhs diet YAY Yes people apparently dont like living within their means so we have had to move slower. The sooner we get there the better.

I went to uni, as did my siblings on a full grant because we were poor but academically able. I have no idea if my academically able dd will be able to afford uni. We need fewer places and better help for poorer students. Like it was in the 80s.

Hopefully Yvette will get the leadership.

She will be a strong candidate.

Just has the degree devalued, or the labour market slowed down? Does society in general benefit from university graduates or education in its own right? Who knows! but if you cant answer what is a university education for, then you id say you cant form a good policy for funding it.

1. Bedroom tax Not paying benefits for empty rooms. For NRPs with a child who needs a bedroom but is "resident" elsewhere?
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people Stopping welfare to those that dont need it. Have you seen the number of people that are successful on appeal?
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds Live with your parents or pay your own rent. Seriously? What about care leavers, what about young parents, what about young people who are kicked out or have abusive parents?
4. Benefit cap Stopping benefits abuse. Wheres the focus on tax avoidance that costs the state even more?
5. Rise in uni tuition fees Making high earning graduates pay their fair share. Er, no, you start paying as soon as you earn £21k, with retrospective changes
6. Junior doctors' contracts Better hospital care at weekends. You are clearly uninformed on this point
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries Bringing nurses in line with other students. Other students don't work full placements like nurses do and we need to train nurses, they are now disincentivised
8. Snoopers' charter Keeping people safe. Invasion of privacy
9. Social care cuts Living within our means. Cutting care to the disabled and elderly but still forking out for £££ in MPs luxury expenses.
10. Public sector pay freeze Living within our means. as above

10. NHS "10 year diet" Living within our means. as above

Stopping welfare to those that dont need it.

In the majority of PIP cases which are taken to tribunals, the judges were shocked that a rational person could have taken the original decision.
(Source: BBC Panorama)

1. Not much of a flipping choice Still their choice. SUCCESS
2. With a load of anxiety and bureaucracy in between Yes that's unfortunate. HALF SUCCESS
3. its actually a bedsit Which then deprives a forty year old who has worked all their life of a bedsit. Work first then get benefits, dont make it a lifestyle choice at 18. SUCCESS
4. everyone should have enough for a roof over head and food in their belly £20,000 is plenty for that SUCCESS
5. Where did you get that poorer students still go to university in the same numbers? More than ever before, last year there was a tiny decrease. Still SUCCESS
6. Whoopdeedo you broke a union, seriously, thats sucess to you? Unions hold back progress and impede improvements. SUCCESS

It's so bloody tedious

It is, but it's still early days, in a few weeks it will just be all pro labour congratulating themselves, it was the same in 2010 and 2015 (the only reason Lib Dem is tolerated now is because of brexit), come June 9th it will be wall to wall threads of people virtue signalling that they are leaving the country now we have become "extreme right" (those posters are still living here), and/or endless posts of how the only Tories they know are one's who go out and piss on the homeless or are racist..

The new line of thinking is that "socialists" can laugh in the face of those that they apparently are looking our for, because they are not thinking voting the same as them, no introspection is required you see because its the spooky Russians right wing press that done it.

Just get a big bag of popcorn ready.