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Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

391 replies

Bluebeedee · 09/05/2017 13:24

  1. Bedroom tax
  2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
  3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
  4. Benefit cap
  5. Rise in uni tuition fees
  6. Junior doctors' contracts
  7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
  8. Snoopers' charter
  9. Social care cuts
  10. Public sector pay freeze
10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

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Tomorrowillbeachicken · 09/05/2017 14:28

I'm not voting it as my local MP wanted the schools fiunding changed and screwed all the schools in her constituency after signing that letter.
Also she seems to quite like fiddling her expenses in the past.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 09/05/2017 14:29

Election fraud

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 09/05/2017 14:29

Although when Corbin can sort out his own tax he might be fit to sort out other people's too.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 09/05/2017 14:29

Hillsborough

Bluebeedee · 09/05/2017 14:32

Why do people have a problem with Jeremy corbyn? Is it because he's scruffy? He wants to crack down on tax evasion, opposes nuclear weapons, he was the lowest expenses claiming MP, he worked his way through politics rather than studying PPE at Oxford with Cameron, Osborne and chums. Why are people so offended by this?

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Bluebeedee · 09/05/2017 14:33

My local MP thinks politics is all just a big game!

Reasons to not vote Tory this GE
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Dawndonnaagain · 09/05/2017 14:34

We could do with another labour recession to allow the remainers a chance to say "told you so"
Would that be the one caused by rich Tory bankers?
Perhaps if you did some research you'd find that not only do Labour borrow less during their tenure, they pay back more.
Take a look at the ONS.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 09/05/2017 14:34

Because theres a massive campaign to smear him.

Fake news

scaryteacher · 09/05/2017 14:36

Blue Corbyn is a throw back and politics has moved on since the 70s/80s when I was growing up.

I have a problem with his opposition to nuclear weapons; some of his dubious acquaintances; he has never done afaik, a job outside politics, so he doesn't realise what life is like outside his particular political prism.

ExplodedCloud · 09/05/2017 14:40

The Conservatives know what life is like outside their prism then? Hardly.

Pretendbookworm · 09/05/2017 14:48

Because I have a pulse and do not require the blood of orphans for sustenance.

Two4One2017 · 09/05/2017 14:57

Speaking to voters on the doorstep, people say they are planning to vote conservative ("lending their vote" is a phrase I've heard a few times) even though they are lifelong labour voters, because of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. Or they are not voting as they don't want to pro actively vote conservative.

Chaotica · 09/05/2017 15:03

It's telling that the reasons not to vote Labour are personal attacks. Not general policies. Presumably because the Tory voters on the thread can't think of any.

The current tabloid media smear campaign against Labour is worse than the '80s and early '90s.

Camomila · 09/05/2017 15:16

Because the measure of a civilised society is how it treats its most vulnerable.

Because not everyone is selfish, id happily pay more tax if it went on the nhs/schools/benefits for disabled people

RoseGoldProsecco · 09/05/2017 15:24

When one labour supporter can come up with a decent and actually viable method of funding corbyn's grand plans (as none of his party can do that), they might seem more realistic. Just saying you'll increase taxes - particularly something like CGT which fluctuates anyway - isn't convincing, sorry Jeremy.

I think YABU to tell people not to vote Tory without a better alternative. Are the LDs really capable of government? Because they look like the best of a shitty bunch to me, but only in the way that pissing yourself is marginally better than shitting yourself Sad

WildBelle · 09/05/2017 15:27

They're a bunch of cunts

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 09/05/2017 15:28
Grin
RoseGoldProsecco · 09/05/2017 15:30

There's always people quick to say they'd pay more tax. How many of them have tried - is it actually possible to volunteer more tax? Does anyone do this in practice? (Genuine question!)

Camomila · 09/05/2017 15:46

I'd only volunteer to pay more tax if I knew what it was being spent on, I imagine if lots of low/middle income earners like me gave an extra £10/£20 a month but then stipulated they only wanted it going on primary schools or NHS waiting lists or whatever the admin would probably cancel out the benefit? ATM I'm better of giving a charity donation.

But I'd be fine if labour/lib dems/whoever said 'we'll tax you an extra X a month and that's ringfenced for the nhs'

Camomila · 09/05/2017 15:47

Although that's what gift aid is isn't it? knew I should have done that political economy module at uni, then at least I'd know what I'm going on about

Fruitcorner123 · 09/05/2017 15:48

Crisis in school budgets. Redundancies at my school this year and last and still we seem to have no money in schools

TessTube · 09/05/2017 15:52

I don't know that calling people selfish or ignorant is going to change their voting intentions.

ExplodedCloud · 09/05/2017 15:54

These threads never do though Tess.

makeourfuture · 09/05/2017 16:09

44 - May siding with Mail over abuse of the judiciary.

makeourfuture · 09/05/2017 16:10

45 - no Brexit plan.