Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

Why do people talk like the Tories will rescue the country?

Its them who are in power and have been for years!?

Did i say i think he can win?

In a fair climate he could do reasonably well

I'd say the only thing worse than the Tories is Labour.

Why are all the Labour voters flocking to the Tories? I can't stand JC either, nor his soak the rich and build 50B houses with fairy dust platform, but you have at least two other (real) parties to choose from. It isn't one or the other.

I wake up this morning to find JC has spent another several Billion on education. Great but how the hell is he going to pay for this, where is this magic money forest, he is just pulling it out of his butt. He is trying to bankrupt this country, we are going to drown in debt. What a joke.

Actually Anon, I think education is exactly where spending needs to go. We as a nation need to invest in our youth now or we will be in dire straits in the future.
And lest we forget, the UK is drowing in worse debt with a Tory government, they have tripled the national debt since they have been in power...

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-lining-up-significant-tax-10296651

www.indy100.com/article/conservative-mp-daniel-kawczynski-deleted-graph-partys-fault-7563591

Because we are in such tip top shape now aren't we.

Which is at least part of the reason we've had an early GE. Things are about to get s whole lot worse.

Why do you think it's being well run now?

I think its being well run because our deficit is coming down. Because we have record employment. Because we have relatively good growth.

The last thing we need is JC signing massive blank checks that will send us off the edge of a cliff.

When one labour supporter can come up with a decent and actually viable method of funding corbyn's grand plans (as none of his party can do that), they might seem more realistic. Just saying you'll increase taxes - particularly something like CGT which fluctuates anyway - isn't convincing, sorry Jeremy.

Cut the free schools and the bedroom tax.

the UK is drowing in worse debt with a Tory government, they have tripled the national debt since they have been in power...
Yea caused by Gordon Browns massive deficit that has been really hard to get down. The last thing today's youth needs is JC bankrupting the country and saddling them with a lifetime of debt interest to be repaid to the wealthy elite who lent it.

I think there is a school of thought that we are lumbered with Brexit now and people think she's going to handle it better.

I don't know, it's the ultimate poisoned chalice. Maybe they should deal with the consequences.

I think a lot of people would vote Lib Dem I'd certainly consider it but I'm in a Tory/Labour marginal and I don't think I can.

Gordon Brown dealt with a Global Economic Crisis - very well by all accounts not of his making.

Oh come on Anon, pull the other one.
The Tories have been in power for 7 long years now... and have missed every balancing the budget figure they have set themselves...

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/21/deficit-figures-an-embarrassment-for-george-osborne-as-he-misses/
Reported in the Torygraph so it must be true.

But just keep repeating strong and stable, strong and stable, strong and stable like you really believe it...

seawitchly I agree with your statement about this: If however it means that corporations might be making a little less profit because they are compelled to pay their staff a living wage, well I am not sure this is a bad thing. But I will do some more research into this.

I don't mind corporations making less profit either, but if that means they start laying people off, and cutting people's hours, then I've got a huge problem with it.

I don't understand why Osborne and Corbyn took a huge success of Blair's - the minimum wage, and started hacking it up for vote winning without properly testing the impact.

The Low Pay Commission is not some right wing body, it's staffed by well meaning economists who want to make poor people better off, but not at the expense of other people losing their jobs or getting hour cuts.

Gordon Brown dealt with a Global Economic Crisis
By, as a result of his lack of fiscal control, giving us a massive deficit which we are still dealing with. The Tories have only been in power for 2 years and its not that easy to cut a deficit, as you can see by the howls of complaints on this thread.

Just keep on spending like there is no tomorrow, our children can pay.

the really worrying thing about that IFS article too is that it says the min wage hike will not help the poorest, because they are generally the ones unable to get any work.

So what is it then? The tories wanted to hike the min wage to pay less out in tax credits - pushing the cost to the private sector. Corbyn wants to have a LOT of people's wages effectively set by the state.

I'd rather the min wage was set carefully by economists working with the overall benefits to the poor in mind, not stupid politicians of any kind.

the argument about the debt pile gets me down - that's a left AND right issue. The global financial crisis was going to cause this problem for a government of ANY kind.

Yes, new labour were running a small deficit beforehand.
Yes, some economists think that austerity has perhaps slowed the economic recovery.

But it's not a clear 'this is the fault of the tories', 'this is the fault of labour' - the global financial crisis was a huge event that ultimately, Britain has coped reasonably well with given the scale of it.

The small pre crisis deficit labour are to blame for and austerity causing a slower recovery are tiny issues compared to the crisis that happened.

The global financial crisis was going to cause this problem for a government of ANY kind. And had Labour ran a surplus during the good years we would have been able to deal with it a lot better. It didn't because like JC they just spent spent spent.

the global financial crisis was a huge event that ultimately, Britain has coped reasonably well with Yes mainly because we kicked Labour our and stopped spending like we had a magic money tree.

If we go back to massive uncontrolled borrow and spend policies what is going to happen the next time there is financial crises? Will we be pushed over the cliff?

You kicked Labour out and lengthened the recession because austerity didn't work and contributed to the situation we have now.

It didn't because like JC they just spent spent spent.

Can you please tell us Anon: if a flank financial crisis of that scale comes up again, how much have the Tories saved for that rainy day? Or is it the same old "we inherited this from Labour" again? Afterall, they have been in power long enough to come up with contingency plan.

Flank? Sorry that is my phone and not me

Anon with the best will in the world, no country ran such a budget surplus to avoid the consequences of the crisis, and we did better than most. It's like the Scottish oil price dropping insurance fund - it ain't there, no government ever is going to sit on a big pile of cash when it can buy votes by spending them.

Our politicians aren't worse than any others in that regard.

Not that I disagree with you about needing to eliminate the deficit and start repaying the debt - I'm all for stimulating the economy but it has to pay off and I'm not sure that Corbyn's policies will create jobs.

Here's the Institute of Fiscal Studies take on Labour's announcement to raise corporation tax and the detrimental affect that would have on the economy and jobs and a lowering of wages. It also comments on how competitive our economy would be (or not be) if corporation tax was increased to 26% - post Brexit, if corporation tax is more expensive than many European countries, why would business stay here?

election2017.ifs.org.uk/article/labour-s-reversal-of-corporate-tax-cuts-would-raise-substantial-sums-but-comes-with-important-trade-offs

This paragraph is particularly interesting:

"Increasing tax on corporations may appear to be an attractive way to raise revenue. But, as ever, there are trade-offs:

Increasing rates will raise less revenue in the medium to long run because firms would respond by investing less in the UK. This in turn would depress economic activity and lead to fewer jobs and lower wages. There is a very high degree of uncertainty about how large these effects are but estimates suggest that they may be substantial. The potential size of these effects is an indication of why the OECD and others judge corporation tax to have a particularly damaging effect on economic growth.
Of course, when considering longer run effects it is also important to consider how a government would spend revenue raised, since these decisions (such as higher spending on education) will also have effects on the size of the economy.
All taxes are paid by people and corporation tax is no different. Higher rates can reduce the returns to company owners (shareholders), but there is also evidence that a significant share of the burden is passed to workers in the form of lower wages.

with the best will in the world, no country ran such a budget surplus
You mean apart from Germany, the Netherlands ....

Mmm however the money from putting corporation tax to where it was previously had been allocated many times by many shadow ministers.

Abbott after her embarrassing police budget interview was asked what the rates of ciorperstion tax would be and she didn't know the figure.

Look I have labour in my bones but this flinging around of money just persuadeds people that labour will not balance the books and tax borrow and spend at will

monkey if you don't think he can win why on earth did you vote for him as I presume you did?

I voted Yvette cooper who I think could win.

Two4One I'll add this to the list of policies I don't like - in fact this is a double whammy:

hike min wage to £10 ph - firm's wage bill goes up
hike corporation tax to 26% - firm's tax bill goes up.

How many firms are you going to push to re-evaluate, cut workers, go into the red etc?

labour are responding to genuine problems - the cost of living, failure to get tax of out multi-nationals, but these aren't smart solutions, these are 70s style solutions and not fit for purpose.