Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

What, not why

justanother

No Socialism here. Just a fucked off Labour voting working class person.

And don't use my post to do the whole cliche "every Labour voter is a left wing Orwell fearing Socialist wannabe" bullshit. Have more class, dear.

who would you vote for instead? surely not Labour?

That's right I must have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. That's it.

Heaven forbid I think differently to you.

Also re Tory Election Fraud someone suggested upthread that it was irrevelent as Labour had also committed election fraud in the past... However this is not true, both Labour and Lib Dems did not commit the same offence as the Tories.

Yes they broke the law, they failed to declare all their expenses, but they did not breach the maximum spend. They paid a fine. The Tories broke criminal laws which can result in prison sentences which could lose any MPs their seats.

Yes they broke the law, they failed to declare all their expenses, but they did not breach the maximum spend. They paid a fine. The Tories broke criminal laws which can result in prison sentences which could lose any MPs their seats.

Could this be a reason why May called early elections?

Hi seawitchly

I see him as ineffectual as that he doesn't come across as a 'leader of people'. I don't read tabloids so my opinion isn't from that - my opinion is from interviews on TV where, imo, he really does not come across as a 'leader' - and lets be fair, to be a PM or president ,you have to have a commanding presence. I have no faith in him. I don't dislike the man, it's just if the cards are on the table with the US and Russia would I hold trust in him? Frankly, no I wouldn't.

I've been a staunch labour supporter for many years as have my parents and grandparents - My parent's are now Tory supporters and they're in receipt of disability benefits and absolutely support the Tories and will vote for them.

My problem is I don't have a choice. There is no party I would vote for - Tories? RIP NHS, no matter what anyone says, I'm on the frontline and watching it happen. Labour? A leader who nobody has any respect for and Diane Abbot put the nail in the coffin with that horrendous interview.

I actually don't know who to vote for, for the very first time!

Seawitchly, read up on the former labour mayor of tower hamlets Lutfur Rahman.

Mass voter fraud (boxes of blank ballots found in the back of cars), false statements, bribery, spiritual influence etc

princessandtherevolution

I don't think the electronic and print media of this country have different types of biases here. You vote for whoever you like but please don't base it on TV interviews.

Yes Rhy, I know about him. He was a bad egg alright.
But Rahman was also removed from office... so due process was followed once the fraud was detected.
I wonder what the outcome of the Tory election fraud will be?

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princessandtherevolution

I don't think the electronic and print media of this country have different types of biases here. You vote for whoever you like but please don't base it on TV interviews.*

I admit I'm undecided as to who to vote for, for the reasons given, whatever impression gave you that it would be based on TV interviews then worry not, like I've said, I'm frontline.

If you are basing YOUR opinion on Jeremy Corbyn on HIS interviews then we'll have to agree to disagree - he's a huge percentage of the reason I won't be voting labour :)

Princess, what does a 'leader' look like to you?
Tony Blair? Boris Johnson? Nigel Farage? Margaret Thatcher?
What is it about a politician that leads you to believe they will be effective in discussion and debate with Russia or the US?

You see I believe that showy charisma a la Tony Blair, David Cameron and Bo Jo is over-rated. It doesn't make them a better leader or more effective communicator. What you often get instead is someone trained to within an inch of their lives in public speaking and dominant style body language... when what you actually need is someone with a resilient and calm personality who can hang on in there when the going gets tough and not run away with their tail between their legs [exhibit A - David Cameron]. I believe Jeremy Corbyn has these qualities and will absolutely be able to debate and stand up for British interests with the likes of Donald Trump, etc.
He is at times a little tetchy with the press and I really can't blame him for that tbh but that said he does need to learn to play that political game a little better. But I am sure with perhaps a bit of body language coaching he will do fine and it's just window dressing anyway but helpful if he wants to project a certain image.
But it is the underlying characteristics of resilience, thoughtfulness and patience which are the important things imho.

I haven't decided between Labour and LibDem yet princess. I am not in Corbyn's favour nor against him although I strongly believe he is far less evil than May is. but my vote will go where it will oust the strong Tory candidate from our area.

We will find out tomorrow SeaW although Guido thinks nothing: order-order.com/2017/05/09/cps-tory-charging-decisions-11am-tomorrow/

And Princess as front-line NHS what do you think about Labour policies versus Tory versus Lib Dem?
Because the leader is important but they are not the entireity of the political party or it's message.

I am surprised that your parents are in receipt of disability benefits but are staunch Tory voters... Oh well, I guess they feel that only the undeserving disabled will have their benefits cut [a la Anon] and is not likely to effect them or anyone they know.

"Reasons to vote conservatives.
Jeremy Corbyn"

Why has everyone got such a downer on a man who's fighting against cuts and austerity.
Its like every time hes put down. Yet people jump on conservatives dicks.

Every time he opens his mouth.

Clear, considered posts Seawitch.

I would have said comparison with Soviet Russia was ridiculous and childish - said it all through the 80s. Mostly to Tories. And then McDonald opens his mouth.

And no, I am not a Tory, neither am I a newbie.

It's funny I've posted 4 Corbyn policies I take issue with, and yet people keep reassertinf they've seen no evidence and it's about policy.

The IFS has strong reservations about free school meals and the minimum wage hike.

*persionality, not policy.

The right wing media is very powerful in this country Awwlook

I was out to dinner with friends the other night and conversation turned to the GE.
i was shocked when a friend said she was happy to vote for tories as TM was 'a strong woman' whilst stating that she didn't vote Labour as JC 'well, enough said' with rolled eyes. Hang on a minute, I said, what do you mean, TM is strong and JC is foolish I presume... tell me more. What do you think of the policies of either party, what exactly is is about TM that you find strong or foolish about JC...
And you know what, she couldn't answer. This is a brght, intelligent, professional person who basically said to me she was too demoralised and apathetic to look into this much further but the newspapers she had read had told her that she needed the Tories 'strong and stable government' and that a vote for JC and Labour was a vote for incompetence and anarchy.
And it was very interesting that once I said well, I like JC actually and I'll tell you why and also exactly why I will be voting for Labour come June 8th, others around that table who had joined in the eye rolling suddenly felt emboldened to say that they also didn't quite get why JC was being villified in the press or why their friends said they couldn't vote for Labour if he was in charge... But they had assumed that if 'everyone' was saying it, well then it must be true.
I have heard this above reasoning more than once and to me it indicates brainwashing by media on a massive scale.
Fair enough if you have researched this for yourself and looked at various news sites, both left and right wing, and have come to the conclusion that JC and Labour do not speak for you. Then of course vote Tory with a clear conscience and happy heart.
But for God's sake, do not just read blindly and uncritically the right wing rhetoric spewing forth and accept it as fact 'because everyone else [apparently] is saying it so it must be true'.

NotLottery can you explain more about why you disagree with free school dinners and a minimum wage increase?

I've explained a couple of pages back - the min wage should not be being messed about with by politicians, it is likely at this level to cause job losses and hours to be cut. Hikes to it should never have been taken out of the low pay commission's hands. I dont agree with disability assessments being done by poorly qualified private staff, and I don't agree with the minimum wage being taken out of the hands of independent economists (if obviously economists who have the poor's interests at heart).

The free school meals extension is expensive and not the best way of using nearly £1 bn it costs.

The national investment bank is a huge amount of borrowing that needs a lot of careful detail we haven't seen - piling on more borrowing even if it's for investment means the investments have to be made carefully so they do pay off the investment and not just provide a blank cheque.