Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

And no, the wording of your posts isn't to open discussion

You have to have some faith in a leader to be an effective person to implement the policies.

Will wait to see the manifesto - and leaving aside the issue of competence, labour policies that are potentially disastrous:
1 - Politically interfering to hike min wage to £10 ph (Blair introduced this with the LPC advising increases). IFS says could cause job losses and hours to be cut.
2 - National investment bank - £500bn more borrowed, this is a huge amount more to borrow without a very clear plan, I hope this gets dropped. Could end up in us being bailed out by the IMF
3 - VAT hike on private school fees - more pressure on state schools if those parents switch their children back to state. I also don't like it on principle, it's a sneer tax.

But people earning over £80k pay a huge % of this countries taxes. About a third I think. Although its late and I'm tired. A third pay no taxes. So don't you think we have a right to know whether those taxes are going to genuine advancements in education and health or to the administration of inflated middle management bureaucracy that blights old school public sector services?

Fuckwitery, this doesn't suggest you respect the views of people who disagree with you:
Corbyn lovers - delusional at best. Dangerous at worst. Absolutely no understand of fiscal reality. Anyone can promise spend spend spend but with not fucking genuine answer on what it's going to cost (just ask Abbot) it where the funds are coming from I genuinely think my 7 year old DS could come up with a better economic policy

Livia- you may not but it doesn't mean I have to do the same..

Already apologised for. Read your own thread. I admited I had been baited into this (by you). I've had an espresso now so ready for more genuine debate if you're up to it.

And how is it meant to open discussion when you have just listed a load of things you don't agree with?

Didn't they recommend it should be set by an independent wage commission?

That's one I'm unsure about.

I find it mildly interesting that it's generally the Corbynistas who have been the nastiest on threads

Political debate is brilliant

Just slagging off those who have a different opinion - not so much

Blair had the min wage being monitored and increases recommended by the independent low pay commission. First the tories intervened to say £8 ph and then labour committed to £10 ph

Should never have become a political football, it was in the hands of experts and should've stayed there.

This £10 ph is untested, and likely to have adverse effects.

Livia if you're talking about my OP it was pretty clear what it was about from the title! Not sure what else you want me to say.

Later on I said I genuine don't understand why people vote Tory (still none the wiser as I haven't seen any responses to inform me) and asking why people hate JC and there have been several interesting answers that haven't changed my mind but have.l been insightful

I am only taking issue with the idea that you say you want to open up a debate - you clearly don't, you just want to virtue signal about why you don't like the Tories. And that's fine, but don't be disingenuous about it.

If you genuinely want a debate, this is not the site for it tbh. It's very heavily biased towards the left and any Tories who stick their head above the parapet get ripped apart.

And when people are on the defensive they aren't going to explain their political thinking

Here's another policy of labour's that is poorly thought out and expensive: free school meals extension:

www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9202

There are plenty of policy reasons not to vote labour, leaving aside tactics, competence, personality.

I've been thinking lately that it's getting distinctly more Tory here but that might be the threads I'm reading.

I think Jeremy needs to chill his beans pick the things which are important and go with them.

I'm worried it's going into "moon on a stick" territory but will have to wait & see.

How about the Tories stealing Labour's energy price freeze policy?

Of course this meant that Miliband was a Marxist but now Theresa May is using it as a potential vote winner

uk.businessinsider.com/conservatives-energy-bill-freeze-ed-miliband-labour-general-election-theresa-may-2017-5

I think you're right tess it seems like all the party leaders keep pulling more policies out of the bag, it will be crazy by June!
And tories now wanting to reintroduce fox hunting, god what next?!

I think this site is still broadly left but centrist left so there's a lot of backlash against the increasingly fat left policies of corbyn and his allies. Which is pushing the centre left to centre / centre right. And please let's be honest about the Tory party. It's a free right party compared not only to world politics but also to where the Tory party has sat before.

OP I think lots of people have given very clear reasons why they are voting conservative but I'm not sure how willing you are to read them with an open mind. Sorry.

*far left obv

I came across that photo of Ed eating a Bacon Sandwich earlier.

Oh Ed.

Fuckwitery maybe I need to read the thread again with a clearer head.

Oh and let's not forget the main reason behind TM deciding to call an early general election [when the 'strong and stable' one had clearly stated she wouldn't]

Tory Election Fraud
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-theresa-may-tory-fraud-investigation-expenses-scandal-cps-decide-press-charges-a7723501.html

Oh yeah the bloody free vote on fox hunting, why oh why. Now that's a Tory policy I'm against.