Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

From the last election. People want Labour to be 3/10 on the leftyometer.

Seawitchly, I typed my OP in a bit of an angry rush and missed some of the biggest points like election fraud

Seawirtchley

All party policies are informed and affected by opposition policies. That's politics. A stronger opposition holds government to account and their percentage of public following forces parliament to debate an issue. So if that part of labour's policy at the time has led to genuine debate around the area of energy price hikes and made the government introduce measures to deal with it, it is the very essence of democracy in action. It's a cheap shot to then denounce its take up. No?

Apparently the fox hunting is going to be a vote winner.

fuckwitery

Actually the top 1% pay just less than a 1/3 of all tax (27%) and that is salaries over 150k!

Over 80k is the top 5% of taxpayers.

Don't forget that there is already a 62% marginal tax rate on salaries just over 100k because of the fact that they do not get a tax free allowance.

Reasons not to vote for the conservatives

100. They don't believe all humans are equal.

Inequality = crime, lower educational attainment, long term poverty and overall a shitty way of life for disadvantaged groups.

On election fraud, labour received the biggest ever fine for election fraud in the 2015 election. I'm not sure that that argument against the tories will fly.

Fuckwitery it is always interesting to hear why people are thinking of voting Tory... It usually boils down to 'strong and stable' government, Jeremy Corbyn is 'unelectable' and 'dangerous'... oh, and Anon's enlightening post -

1. Bedroom tax Not paying benefits for empty rooms.
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people Stopping welfare to those that dont need it.
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds Live with your parents or pay your own rent.
4. Benefit cap Stopping benefits abuse.
5. Rise in uni tuition fees Making high earning graduates pay their fair share.
6. Junior doctors' contracts Better hospital care at weekends.
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries Bringing nurses in line with other students.
8. Snoopers' charter Keeping people safe.
9. Social care cuts Living within our means.
10. Public sector pay freeze Living within our means.

10. NHS "10 year diet" Living within our means.

Sorry, but denying disability benefit is not 'stopping welfare to those who don't need it' but harming and in some cases killing those who realy do need it... not every 18-21 year old has the option to live with Mummy and Daddy, benefits abuse is a tiny fraction of the overall benefits bill and has been for years, we sort of want to encourage people to study nursing as record numbers of nurses are leaving the NHS, hence bursaries, social care cuts and public sector freeze are living within our means ... WTAF, you mean when the Tories have tripled the national debt but are still able to somehow afford tax breaks for the very wealthiest and rather would go after our public sector workers and the most vulnerable in our society?

I think this election a lot of people are voting for what they see as the least bad option, based on what their own personal red lines are.

All humans aren't equal. No. There are good. Bad. Ambitious. Lazy. Evil. Honest. Greedy. And all combinations of the above and then some.

You think all humans have the skills and intelligence and stamina and calm headedness to be doctors, surgeons, pilots, CEOs, leaders? And does everyone thrive under the pressure of those sorts of roles? So they want them? And who do we want doing our surgeries? Flying our planes? Running businesses and being creative entrepreneurs? We want the best. And that means competition. Ambition. And reward.

I am not for one minute suggesting that nurses firefighters policeman paramedics or teachers are not as hardworking. And I don't for one minute think they should struggling. At all. But to suggest we all have equal abilities is crazy talk.

To attract the best you have to offer the best. Otherwise people won't bother striving. It's human nature.

And many many people who rise to the serious top of their profession are serious philanthropists who donate more than taxes to the common good.

And fuckwitery what I resent is the Tories denegration of the energy price freeze as 'Marxist' [David Cameron], 'Wonga Like' [Boris Johnson] and 'Very Dangerous' [Michael Fallon] -

Smear, smear, smear...

But now they have suddenly decided it was a sensible idea after all and entirely do-able.

In the article I linked to above it also shows the Daily Mail denigrating the idea when it was Miliband's but fawning over it when it is Theresa May's .

Hypocricy at it's finest.

Yes, and is why we have a shortage of nurses in this country.

But that's what they do Sea.

They all argue with each other like grumpy toddlers and it's left to us to pick out the bits we think are true which none of us can agree on.

I don't think disability benefit should be denied but it should be regulated and monitored. As I said upthread I really am a centrist / right and believe utterly that our taxes should be providing an absolute safety.m net to the genuinely vulnerable. And for that to happen there needs to be a line and checking and all the nasty things that go along with ensuring we are getting it right. I don't believe it's been handled right at all but something has to be done about our over burdened social security system.

And so to bed.

I'm going to bed but I'll occupy the space slightly to the centre and left.

Disability benefit is very tightly monitored. Have you seen the paperwork?

I'll admit I'm at a loss who to vote for.

On the one hand I loathe the pompous attitudes of some Tories who without a doubt look down their noses at the working classes (of which I am). On the other hand I agree with some of their policies such as the benefit cap - i.e no-one on benefits should be better off than a working family.

I work in the NHS and I'm frontline seeing the bit by bit privatisation of it under the Tories - next week our domestics/porters in my trust are due a meeting to discuss change in contract/pension terms as a private company is taking over. Those of us on 'better bands' such as 5/6 shouldn't worry though apparently

I really cannot bring myself to vote for a party with Jeremy Corbin as its leader. I would have absolute no faith in him leading our country, to me, he's ineffectual, our country should have a strong leader who the rest of the world respects, if not necessarily agreeing with some policies.

What I'm trying to say I suppose is - who would people vote for in my position? I really don't know.

My snoring husband has been kicked out so I'll be fully central if you don't mind 😉

Are you really suggesting that the wealthiest in our society cannot afford to pay a little more tax fuckwitery?

For risk of our 'very best' not achieving their just rewards... or something?

Yeah sure, as a society we need CEOs and entrepreneurs who should be adequately rewarded for the work they do. But they are not worth so much more than teachers, firefighters, police or nurses.

When you are sick, in labour or dying what you really need is a well qualified, well rested doctor and/or nurse to monitor your condition and make sure you are looked after. I personally want a society that takes care of it's public sector workers and doesn't take their good will for granted.

You could take the view that as Corbyn is really unlikely to become PM you could vote Labour if that's your preferred option.

Princess why do you think Jeremy Corbyn is ineffectual?
If that is your truly held personal opinion of the man, then fine, you must vote by your conviction.
But the right wing media in this country would have you believe his policies are unaffordable, unsustainable, loony left communism gone mad. They have been in overdrive since day 1 to impart this message to the electorate.
They did the same to Ed Miliband with the bacon sandwich photo and the idea that an energy price freeze was 'Marxist' and 'dangerous'.

But lo and behold the Tories have now taken this crazy policy as their own. Amazing isn't it that right wing media is now lapping this up as a sensible and rational policy

Do you think the rest of the world respects Theresa May?

I keep hearing the message over and over that Corbyn would make a bad leader but no evidence for this. Its like some form of brainwashing.

I have another very important reason why we should vote Tories. the Prime Minister can actively joke about things that are the cause of issues of nearly half the Relationships threads on MUMSNET: there are "boy jobs"and then there are "girl jobs".
Why do we know, eh Mrs May?